Lesbian?


Paulie: Lesbian? Lesbian? Are you *beep* kidding me, you think I'm a LESBIAN?
Mouse: You're a girl in love with a girl, aren't you?
Paulie: No! I'm PAULIE in love with TORI.

'cause We Fall In Love For The Person, Not The Gender

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I couldn't agree more. Even though I'm not a homosexual ..I think love is love..It's a deep friendship that goes beyond the ordinary boundaries..What I saw in that movie was a love so deep and real and a society that rejects that love and that's absolutely unfair. All people have a right to love and happiness. I just wish that this unhuman conservatism that condemns so many people in misery and low self-esteem, will finally end. We are all people and the only thing that makes us different is our ability to love and not who we love or how.

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While I like the sentiment and loved the scene, I do want to just play devil's advocate a bit...most people over the course of their lives tend to be attracted to and/or fall in love with more than one person at some point, and those multiple people do tend to be the same gender, whether it's the same as your own or not (nothing against bisexuals, just guessing that they are less common than homosexuals). So while people may fall in love for the person, the *potential* to fall in love does tend to be related to the gender. And there's nothing wrong with that either.

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bisexuals are actually a lot more common than homosexuals

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Sexual attraction most likely exists on a continuum. Given that, it is more likely a person will have a stronger "identity" - that is, identify themself - with one end or the other as the ends are more clear cut than the fuzzy middle. So, yes, more people are likely "bisexual," but more homosexuals would identify themselves as such rather than "bisexuals" would. However, if indeed such a continuum exists, then labels such as heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual are actually rather superficial categorizations.

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I am one of 'those'. I was, not by choice, but just by happenstance, dating a guy and a girl at the same time. But...I had to make choice. So...straight. married 29 years now, but I still love that guy. I just wasn't 100% gay. Love is where you can find it. It's a lonely world out there. But, one does, IMHO, have to choose. It's just unfair and cruel to pretend you are something you are not. ESPECIALLY towards the other person opposite your choice.

Well said, Jerodast.

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I just think the point of the scene is not to undermine the meaning of the term "lesbian", it was to show how people are often too quick to pigeon-hole people. We are constantly looking for ways to label people and sometimes fail to see how unique everyone is because of it. I think the writers were just trying to say that whatever label you want to put on Paulie and Tori's relationship, love is love. To different people it means different things.

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Paulie: Lesbian? Lesbian? Are you *beep* kidding me, you think I'm a LESBIAN?
Mouse: You're a girl in love with a girl, aren't you?
Paulie: No! I'm PAULIE in love with TORI.

'cause We Fall In Love For The Person, Not The Gender.


True. This short exchange of lines between Paulie and Mouse is so masterful. It’s the ones I will always remember from this little forgotten cinematic gemstone. Like you say: we fall in love with the person, not the gender.

I’m a super straight male, who like love stories a lot more than war stories. And I always felt that females in love with females are more *credible* as lovers, than males and females, and males and males.

Basically, love is a female thing, not a male thing. Females creates and preserves – males constructs and destructs. So, like one American anthropologist once asked (the title of her essay): “Did Mother Nature play a hideous joke on mankind?”

"Why is it that men are so much more interested in women than women in men?"
Virginia Woolf

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"'cause We Fall In Love For The Person, Not The Gender."

This argument fails when we consider all the rug chewing, etc. that goes on.

Let's be honest and call it what it is.



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Not necessarily. All sexual organs are pretty gross when you look at them objectively. For a lot of people they're sexually attracted to another person and they become attracted to the person's body because of that.

I mean, I think it's kind of silly for a woman who's in love with another woman to refuse the label lesbian as if there's something shameful about being attracted to women--as if it's only okay to be in love with a woman if you're mostly straight and that's an exception. But oral sex as the basis of a sexual orientation? I wouldn't say so.

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That's the problem I had with the movie. Paulie was all open about being in love with Tori, but when it came to the term "lesbian," she was offended when Mary used that word. I understand that the movie was about love, and how it's okay to love whoever you want to love, but this exchange kind of made it seem like being a lesbian has nothing to do with love. It's stupid. They could have been bi, but don't act like that's somehow better than being gay.

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Well said.

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Yeah, exactly. I guess that was probably supposed to be Paulie's messed-up point of view rather than the screenwriter's opinion, but they could have made it more clear.

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i think paulie never loved someone (boy, girl, family - because she don't have one).. she never love anyone except Tory (who loves her back..), and she didn't understand how can be asked if she is a lesbian.. when she only love The One for her. i think for the first time she feels love (and all the love who can't give to other people, she gives to Tori).

I'm sorry i don't realy know english, but i hope you'll understand my point.

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In single sex boarding schools there was always the possibility that otherwise straight kids could fall in love with members of their own sex. Trying to pigeon hole those who do as lesbian/gay or bisexual is not helpful, and as you say Tory could well have been her first and only love.

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The world needs more love. We are in short supply of it. Whatever kind of personal bits are attached to you, doesn't matter.

And stop judging people.

End of story.

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"Basically, love is a female thing, not a male thing." Well, thats a preposterous and baseless statement.

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honestly I think Paulie is just in denial.

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I don't think she's so much in denial. I think she didn't want the label anymore because being a lesbian meant they were two women and Tori didn't want a woman. She wanted to forget about gender and the label and just have Tori.

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I agree with u, and also think that Paulie didn't like labels because herself was an homofobic...as she proved at the begining on the movie..when she was talking about her teachers...she didn't want to think in that kind of stuff...it was just love..that's it

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I couldn't agree more. Its about love, not labels!

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She was deeply in love with tori. It was a beautiful and sad movie.

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i just watched the film...
found it very touching and i agree with that quote too...
its not about being gay or straight/or whatever...its the person
love this film...very true, too..

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I think you should probably watch the movie again, and pay attention this time.

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This film is intelligently written enough to point out that there is no such thing as 'gay' or 'straight' or 'anything'; you either love someone or you don't. Love just 'is' as Paulie says.
The film isn't about sex it's about love and Piper P. does the best job of acting in love I have ever seen and deserves utmost praise and reward for it.

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could not agree more..
very well said...
I think its a beautiful film...

~Leave the teabag in...I like it strong!!!~

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oooooh you are a cynic

~Leave the teabag in...I like it strong!!!~

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I guess if that's all you see is someone who's obsessed, then there's no changing your mind.
For the rest of us, we saw something more than just some girl hung up on another girl who didn't return her feelings.
Not everyone wants to agree with you.

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I believe she loved her so much, that she couldnt live with out her, face life without her...I think its tragic....

~Leave the teabag in...I like it strong!!!~

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Indeed, labeling people based on orientation is a fad of the last Century or 2. For most of human History people just screwed and/or loved who they wanted to, and there where no labels about it.

"When the chips are down... these Civilized people... will Eat each Other"

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