13? 16?


Did anyone else notice that during the "coochie snorcher" monologue Ensler mouths that the encounter with the older neighbour happened when the narrator was 13 but we hear her say 16? Does anyone know the story behind this? Is it simply another case of conservative censorship of everything sexually "deviant"?

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It starts off as her saying, "Memory. 16 years old." I didn't catch anything about being 13. Nor did I hear the infamous "If it was rape, it was good rape" line, or whatever...unless it was a live production and not the HBO version? Oh, well.

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In the original version, it was 13. Later, it was changed to 16. Also, the line about it being good rape has been deleted from some versions.

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I don't give a crap! it needs to be taken off the air for this crap! it's child rape! *beep* this show! hope it burns in hell along with the sluts who thought of the little coochie snorcher

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Shut the *beep* up. You know nothing you idiot!!! It was a beautiful and essential piece whether the woman was 13 or 16.

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Hypocritical bullsh**!! If this was a 13 or 16 year old girl seduced by an adult MAN women all over would be crying statutory rape or exploitation. The fact womens shelters use this trash as a money maker makes me wonder what they are thinking! What the hell is a "good rape" anyway? I thought these shelters existed because rape is so traumatizing! Hey, next year why don't they charge a donation fee to see "Igby Goes Down". At least that's about a teen boy getting seduced by an adult woman. Is that women's empowerment?

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I just got done watching this with my girlfriend. I loved the rest of the play but I have to say this part really made both of us cringe and feel creepy for even listening to it. I totally understand that she was only repeating a story that she had heard from another woman and that, luckily enough for the woman, the experience ended up being a positive one for her. And I understand that the point of the story was that she had shameful and horrible thoughts about her vagina and this woman supposedly helped her to deal with that. Honestly though, I'm a 27 year old and a lesbian and I can say with 100 percent certainty that I would never take advantage of anyone, let alone someone under the age of 18 or any age I feel isn't old enough to make sexual decisions. I found it disgusting that an adult woman would get a teenage girl drunk and exploit them the way this woman apparently did. Saying "Yeah, but the girl was ok after and it enriched her" or whatever people say is not an excuse. Would it be ok for a grown man to do the same thing to a young girl if afterwards the girl felt the experience was positive? No, it's still disgusting. It's gross for an adult to get another adult drunk for the sole purpose of taking advantage of them, let alone a child. Whether the kid was alright afterwards is pointless. The adult knew what she was doing was wrong and did it anyways. That's the point. Also, people are very hypocritical about molestation and rape perpetrated by women. As someone above said, if this had been the same story about the same situation with a grown man instead of a woman and the child felt they turned out ok, there would still be outrage by women's groups and feminists, as there should be. But that's a pretty irresponsible and dangerous double standard.

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You are a hateful republican !

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Regardless of the age, I will be performing this monologue tonight and tomorrow night for a local community theater project. Proceeds go to Domestic Violence Intervention in my home county. Listen to the message people, go beyond the words!

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What is the message exactly?


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The plays were conducted from women's actual monologues. What happened to the woman who told Eve Ensler her story is how she felt about it. Obviously she feels it was something she matured and learned from and doesn't feel like she was wronged or anything of the sorts. Obviously it's a little inappropriate and explicit but it's a person's own view of something that happened to her and I don't think anyone can argue against that...

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I think the argument is that, at least in the HBO version, a segment in which lesbian rape is depicted as a nurturing, fulfilling experience is followed up by a segment on the horrors of rape as a weapon of war. There's an ongoing theme throughout the play of men being sexually ignorant and responsible for the sexual immaturity of women, yet when women perpetrate the same crimes, Ensler is quick to paint the actions as healing, nurturing, and ultimately good. I doubt that this was the only store Ensler encountered in her interviews in which either A) A young lesbian woman recounted her first positive sexual experience, or B) A survivor of childhood sexual abuse recounted her first positive sexual experience. Ensler chose to include a segment in which a thirteen year old girl is plied with alcohol and then, in the narrator's own words, "Made to do everything." Consider, for a moment, that this segment involved a 13 year old girl and a 24 year old man. Ensler most certainly would not have turned the story into some folksy, whimsical recollection of the first good time; it would have been treated with the same brutal intimacy of the Bosnian rape segment.

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It really sucks that so many people think woman-girl statutory rape is acceptable. Makes me want to vomit! Seriously people, you know this is *beep* Just admit it!

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I think are statutory rape laws are ridiculously simplistically written, regardless of gender.

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I hate all the Censorship that chapter is subjected to, I find it the most beautiful part.

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