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For those of you who are opposed to the Vagina Monologues...

posted 17 years ago by upon_time
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I was just wondering why? I've read some of the other posts, but I'm hoping to get a response here that is more thought out and educated than "THAT IS DISGUSTING!!" I'm just really curious. I've read the thread "The Truth About V" and I thought that it raised some interesing points.

I, personally, think that the play is amazing. I consider myself a feminist and I'm even going to be performing in the play in the spring. I just like to keep and open mind and hear other opinions. Thanks in advance for any responses in which the poster acts like a mature adult.

cross-posted on the the Eve Ensler board.

[–] 17 years ago

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[–] The_Dying_Flutchman 17 years ago

Or the Zoot Suit riots.

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[–] coolkid3008 17 years ago

okay, than I label you as a child molestation approving b.a.s.t.a.r.d. mmmkay?

[–] soydog 17 years ago

Where in the play is there child molestation?

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[–] upon_time 17 years ago

The "child molestation" is probably referring to the "Coochie Snortcher" monologue. Yes, the character is young (13 in earlier versions and 16 in later). But the story is about awakening. Not about abuse. And, yes, I realize that it was 'technically' rape. I'm not arguing that. I don't condone the molestation of young women- by anyone- woman or man. I just think you need to really think about it before you write it off entirely.

[–] moviemann2002 16 years ago

...be honest!

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[–] coolkid3008 16 years ago

let's see, some *beep* involving child rape, that kind of stuff. **** this show! hope who ever thought of this play burns in hell for creating the little coochie snorcher! sick bitches!

[–] rheath-1 16 years ago

You don't know what the hell you're talking about and you obviously don't have a vagina so go away!

[–] exurgency 16 years ago

Come back with hard evidence and lose the language, and maybe then people will take your complaints seriously.

Eve Ensler didn't create "the little coochie snorcher." All of these monologues are taken from her interviews with real women who told their real stories. These monologues express thoughts and ideas and stories that are shared by many men and women.

[–] phileroach 16 years ago

The vagina monologues could have been an interesting work - in the fifties.
Feminism is not a minority subject nowadays and respecting women today is self-evident, so I don't see the point in making such a film or play nowadays.
I could make "The Spleen Monologues", or "The right arm's finger monologues", it doesn't make any impact at all, nothing new. I'm not saying it's tasteless or anything, but I don't see the point in making such a play and then even a film (!) out of it today. Okay, in some countries, women are still mistreated, but then women from those countries should be in this play. But the governments of these countries would ban it right away, so it's of no use showing it in the west, where it is no big subject.

[–] Caustic Pulp 16 years ago

You must be Californian.

Respecting women today is hardly self-evident, and feminism is still a word that generally requires some clarification.

Given that about 350,000 women are raped in the United States annually, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say respect for women is still probably a ways away.

[–] shanx24 16 years ago

The original feminism was worth it. It strove for equal rights, if not a blatant and ill-thought 'equality'. This made sense.

But then came the poster women like Camille Paglia that confused generation after generation of women. In the seventies, it was difficult for a woman to publicly say "You know I really wish to raise a family and be a mother" because this woman would run the risk of social ostracization as a loser. This is why the developed societies of today are aging societies, because for the last three generations, women have been chasing some ideological chimera and not marrying, not having kids, going against the very nature of humankind.

Whatever. In any case, using rape statistics to speak of feminism and women's respects is silly. We don't, by your logic, respect men either given how many men (not women) are murdered in the US every year. Do you have the numbers on hand? It's a whole lot more than rape, sweetie.

As for the play, I found it to be a boring twaddle from a woman who's precisely what is wrong with many in society. To each his/her own. I don't wish to be a bigot. But as a work of "art", this was a very passable fare.

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[–] SLKneeland 14 years ago

I'm offended by the whole message. She takes the route that we need to, what? Think about our vaginas every day? Look at them? Worship them? My vagina is offended by that. It's not my vagina's sexuality, it's MINE. We're THE SAME. We're a team, we're inseparable. My vagina is not wandering around without me, wishing it had a little outfit and a two-word catchprase. It's an organ, which I respect and take care of, but then, I also paint my fingernails. Men don't do that-- where are the "Fingernails Monologues"? No one's ever asked me about those, either!

And the entire way this was acted left me squirming with fury. I HATED the *beep* monologue. Her wailing and screeching and twisting and moaning made me want to slap her. It was like watching a toddler throw a tantrum while turning inside out. Yeah, it was brutal to watch. If I hadn't been watching it in class, I would have turned it off immediately.

I hated that woman an her pretentious, infuriating, condescending, holier-and-artsier-than-thou New York attitude. I especially hate the way this whole phenomenon is revered in such a way that it gets that stigma of, "If you didn't LOVE it, you just didn't UNDERSTAND or you HATE WOMEN AND VAGINAS." Nope, trust me, I got it. I'm a feminist. I have a vagina, and we're on very good terms (except for that yeast infection it attacked me with last year and those few times I inflicted it with razor burn, we haven't had many tiffs). And I still despised this film.

[–] zzyxx 13 years ago

^^THIS. 100% agree with everything you said.

[–] marcus_stokes2000 9 years ago

It endorses child molestation and lesbian rape, which she calls 'good rape'. That enough for you?

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

I think we must have seen different versions of the Vagina Monologues.