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Hacking Without Hacker's Tools?


We see this all the time in movies. The hacker breaks into an ultra secure system just by typing quickly on somebody else's computer without any hacking tools. Right.

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Well it's about time someone tells those guys at Hollywood to stop feeding that crap to people. Although most people would definitely say "I know what hacking looks like" after watching this movie, maybe it's for the better they don't know how things really look. The movie was generally enjoyable but any mediocre linux user or even comp scientist would say the "hacking" scenes are... laughable at best. It would be acceptable if the guy at least carried some kind of portable memory with his most important stuff on it. Also check out the way he uses the keyboard - he barely ever used function keys like tab alt ctrl etc, I can't imagine doing anything close to hacking without those, they shorten time and once you customize your comp and memorize combinations you can do wonders on it with the speed of light. Time is a crucial factor in hacking. Another thing would be what kind of crap he's using to break into DoD. Please...
But it's all for the public so we, uhm "more experienced and knowledgeable" people shouldn't even get involved in pointless discussions like this.
If a hacking movie showing how the things truly look is ever created, it would most probably be totally boring and impossible to understand by a common, average Consumer of Hollywood Digital Crap. Let them make appropriate movies for appropriate people and leave things like hacking to those who really know what's going on.

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Uh. Suspension of disbelief?

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I am glad that someone has brought up an excellent point. Watching real hacking is an extremely boring process unless you are the one doing the hacking.

Movies need to be more slam bang than that to keep the masses attention.

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The most realistic 'hacking' sequence of all time was seen in 'Weird Science'. No question.

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Ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-tap-ticka-tap-tap-tap-ticka-ticka-ticka-TAP! "I'm in!"



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Haha! I think that's the first time I've ever seen 'Weird Science' and 'realistic' in the same sentence!!

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yes, because wearing bras on your heads as you connect a car battery jumper cable to a barbie doll is so realistic, and is needed to hack.

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If the computer has internet connection, the hacker can ssh or telnet or somehow connect to his computer remotely and access his tools. What's the big deal? Granted, there's no such thing as a 3D Hacking GUI, that's just retarded

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Yes, but the film needs to be interesting to the general population.
The hacking scenes in 'hackers' (saw it on youtube and, yes- I'll admit it- watched it) are also incredibly stupid.

The closest the film industry have come, imo from what I've seen, is in Goldeneye when Boris is attempting to stop the Retro-rockets from firing. In which case, you can't see the monitor anyway, and just him sweating over typing crazily. Sure, still not an accurate depiction, but closer than anything else I've seen.

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yeah, im sure all these people r queuing up to see this movie to learn abt the reality of hacking and understand how to do it themselves.

i think hollywood will tell u to take ur retarded idea and shove it up ur az where it belongs.

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Is that you Joshua?

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Have you even met the best hacker in the world? Maybe he could hack like they did in the movie. You never know.

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Script Kiddies my friend. The generation of kids who think they are 'hackers' because they downloaded a program to manipulate AOL or change their friend's myspace.

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Changing a myspace background colour is hacking no matter what anyone says...

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@yimble lol

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As stated on bash.org "If be rich if i ever invented a way to stab people over the internet"

In this case id just settle for slapping you upside the head (no offence)

That could easily be done by sending some loser a trojan disguised as nudepic of random celebrity .exe and hope he is a retard enough to actually open it.

And NO. You cannot hack with no tools unless you make them on the fly.
Sure any current linux distro has a compiler. But that would still require him to write the sourcecode and compile it, then running the program. If you belive that can be done in 60 seconds, i got a quite tall tower in paris ill sell you really cheap.

If he doesnt have any tools he wont be going anywhere. Sure he could in theory SSH to a remote server and launch an attack from there but if we put aside that its not happening in 60 seconds, it STILL requires him to access tools anyway. Which again is my point. Without tools he wont be hacking himself out of a wet paperbag. As others pointed out, his use of the keyboard isnt plausible either. He isnt using any keys that is normally used when coding. Besides. He said it himself. He is rusty in coding. So its not anywhere near plausible that he is able to code that fast, nor SSHing into any server, nor even KNOWING anything about how to access his target.

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I just caught swordfish on tv yesterday and don't know how I ever missed that when it was originally released. I thought it was a great movie, but of course I checked my brain at the door. I realize this thread is quite old but I couldn't resist putting in my 2 cents, plus I'm interested in that tall tower in Paris !

To properly debate this, I suppose we need to define 'tools'. Regardless, you don't need a compiler and if all you want to do is 'attack' a remote server you can use a secure shell (SSH), or telnet if it's horribly insecure, and drop a fork bomb. You don't need a degree in comp. science to write one in under 60 seconds either...and you don't need any special key combinations. This will work fine (assuming the victim computer does not have the ulimit set (or like in many cases, it is set but set so high that it might as well not be there!)) and the more powerful the server, the faster it'll grind itself to a halt:

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This little recursive function took me ~10 seconds to type out. Most shells will interpret it and execute it. No need for compilation. No need for tools.

So...uh, when can I see this tall tower in Paris?!

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Oh, a unix guy, hehe.

Well, if you already knew how to login using SSH then, sure you could bring the server to it's knees with that shell command. But first you'd have to get IN*, which your shell code doesn't help with. Second, once in, you'd have to execute the software used for transactions. Third, you'd have to authorize it with UID and PW as well. Fourth, you have to route the money to all of the appropriate banks, and well, that's not instantaneous. Not something I think possible as shown. "So, vat did you tink, dahling, dat scriptwriters understood tech?"

The truth is that it would only have required a few additional visual props being displayed to have corrected the problem, and made the movie believable by those in the know. Doing that isn't such a good idea because we really don't want the whole world knowing how to wreck havoc on the financial system!

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"Worked at Ericsson RS as computer security manager for many years. Really fun" . . . . . you are being ironic or at least sarcy right ?

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& don't 4get that whatever computer Stan was using, must have the FASTEST processor of all time

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Sorry, I had to 'verify' my account with imdb just to post a reply to this .... the idea that Boris was the closest to realistic you've come across - a computer hacker typing with just one hand!? Any good typist/hacker will type many times faster with two hands (way way more than 2x faster as with one hand your hand has to jump all over the place) ..... and when you're typing flat out as in these scenes, then typing speed is pretty much everything, so you're not going to work a few times slower for no good reason.

So while you could say his pen spinning was awesome (I even learned to do the same pen spinning after watching that movie, so I mightn't disagree) .... you would never ever do it while typing, especially not when typing when under intense pressure to save/destroy the world ...


I'd vote for uploading the computer virus into the alien spaceship in Independence Day as the most realistic hacking scene in movies ... by far .... :P

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LMAO!!

I'm not gonna lie..I fvcking loved the 'hacking GUI' LOL

Kinda like playing tetris 3D, but instead of getting a highscore, you get DoD access!

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Of course, the broad mass of viewers should

a) understand what happens
b) not be bored

And I would excuse "bad" hacking scenes, flashy hacking GUIs that visualize a virus (lol!) and all the other garbage in, let's say, a spy movie, where there's just one single scene where someone hacks into a computer to get some data, to open a door or something like this. But I think it's not excusable in a HACKERMOVIE.

You could still do it without insulting anyone that uses computers (and meanwhile that's the majority of users BTW!). It's comparebly easy, just give him a sidekick or someone else that asks the questions the audience may have and the hacker explains it to him (the audience). The oldest trick of movie history. And there are lots of ways to be sure that a scene with "true" hacking isn't boring. Perfect example for this is "Wargames". The hacking scenes still have some stupid things but don't forget that it's a movie from the eighties. And Swrofish itself had great examples for making it non-boring: Remember the multiple monitors? Or the blowjob? ;)

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And you find this the only unbelievavble part of the movie?

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You guys totally missed the point of this movie. The point is to watch Hugh Jackman.


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the most realistic hacking I've seen was in that Pamela Anderson Show V.I.P, where that nerdy girl put on virtual-reality-goggles and beat up the hacker with karate-chops in a tron-like world.

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Hackers (1995) is one of my favorite movies, and I don't know any intelligent comp.sci person that didn't enjoy it. Besides the point that nobody wants to watch realistic hacking as it's boring and complex, I'm always suspicious of movies that try to be realistic anyways. Because they never are. Nor should they be. If I wanted to learn the intricacies of SUBJECT X I'd consult a trustworthy expert on it (not necessarily in person either).



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Hackers had Angelina Jolie
Swordfish had Halle Berry.

Take your pick of "tools" ;-)

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You guys all noticed that there was a hot babe smoking his sausage right?

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I was half expecting an "Override Password" screen when Jackman was doing his socalled hacking.

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*Ahem* The Matrix Reloaded. Look it up.

That is all I will say.

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The purpose of a movie is to be entertaining. The 3-D, the music, the over-reacting is intended to make what is normally a very boring process into something that is entertaining. Why would they put a pasty faced geek, with dorito crumbs on his shirt, hacking for five days, into a movie? They actually want to make money on these things. The closest I have ever seen is Justin Long in Die Hard 17.

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If you are going to be picky surely the computer responce time is totally unrealistic. Cetainly in Britain we do not have internet that quick.

Also have any of you considered that the makers of the film did the scenes in that way so that they would not be a "how to" guide to computer hacking?

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If that's the case, then why did they have Travolta specifically say at the beginning of the movie that movies should be more realistic?

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Because it's a movie, duh.

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Considering the money and resources that Gabriel had, he probably equipped the computer systems with all of the latest tools already.

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Hollywood didn't make this, thank god. But the closest I have ever seen "hacking" done on film is episode 13 of Welcome To The Scene. Check it out.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/e18097?h1=Welcome+to+the+Scene+-+Episode+13



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