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What Could Dusty Have Said? *Spoiler*


When Campbell & his fellow soldiers are discovered in the arms shed & are charged with murdering two Japanese guards the rest of the perpetraitors are shot shortly afterwards in front of the POW's & Campbell (Robert Carlyle) is just about to be beheaded persumably.It is then that the innocent Dusty (Mark Strong) speaks in Japanese to the guards & he is then subsequently led away & crucified whereas the guilty Campbell is reprieved.
I appreciate that what is said is never actually revealed (Campbell says as much in the film) but what possibly could Dusty have said do you think that resulted in him being killed like that & give Campbell a reprieve? I mean the Japanese guards knew "the gang" had killed two of their captors & the other members were all shot dead soon afterwards as a consequence? Why was Campbell not killed too?

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well, there is the head of the japanese guards. at one point in the movie they explain how he got the job as the mean guy in the pow camp. he once took the blame and shame for a failure his former superior did. he was demoted (?), lost his honor and voila, got the job as the evil guard. and thats what dusty did. he took all the blame for campbell. that´s why the eyes of evil guard (don´t know his name, he commits suicide in the end) are filled with disbelief when dusty offers himself. he just couldn´t figure out that a foreign soldier is able to live this (stupid) concept. by the way, i thing evil guard and campbell are like "mirror" characters. same hate, frustration, stupidity..... that´s why campbell doesn´t waste a bit of time after japanese surrender to humiliate (?) evil guard. eye for an eye....

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what struck me is that it didn't make much sence for Dusty to do that. Campbell already seemed tormented with guilt about getting his band of prisoners executed...and watching it happen. Now, he is to be spared when his own foolishness cuased his friends to be killed? Not only that, but he has to watch Dusty being crucified? What kind of life could Campbell possibly lead after that? My guess is a maladjusted one. It just seemed like a huge waste of life to me. It's not like Dusty was giving up his life to save someone he thought had done something heroic...

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I think the entire point was that Dusty gave his life for Campbell desite Campbell's not being particularily great. It is part of the film's general interpretations of various Christain themes, and this scene is analogous as to why Jesus was crucified for humankind. Not because humankind was so lovable, but because He is love. To give your life for someone better than you is very heroic, but to die for someone who is unworthy, but done simply because you love them, them is divine. I believe C.S. Lewis wrote that somwhere, but I'm paraphrasing badly.

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Very eloquently put Jeremiah.

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totally!!!

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To know what Dusty must have said to Ito rests on a bit of dialogue from earlier in the film; dialogue that apparently was too easy to miss. Takashi, the young, English-speaking officer, explained to Gordon that prison-camp assignments were not positions of honor in the Japanese Army. Ito, the brutal camp officer, had been posted to his position as a punishment that he voluntarily accepted on behalf of a superior who had screwed something up. In the Bushido code of honor, with all of its internal contradictions, it was considered honorable for a junior officer to take such a dishonor upon himself in lieu of his superior. Ito had such a profound sense of duty to his superiors that he was willing to do this -- to deprive himself of glory in battle and, instead, finish his career as a two-bit prison guard in the middle of nowhere. This was a critical piece of dialogue that, unfortunately, was not very prominent, so it would have been easy to overlook. (It would have come across more notably if Takashi's conversation with Gordon had taken place, say, as a stand-alone scene, with the two characters shot alone and in closeup against a quiet background, rather than a quick exchange in an extended scene amid a lot of background activity.)

The only plausible explanation, therefore, is that Dusty told Ito that he wanted to bear the punishment of Campbell, his superior officer, himself.

It's interesting to see Ito's expression of astonishment at this. His surprise parallels his confused reaction to an earlier event in the film, when he realized that Reardon had sacrificed himself to save the rest of the prisoners from being punished for a missing shovel. Those events together rocked Ito's world. He had been raised to believe that all other races were inferior to the Japanese; that none of them could measure up to the Japanese Bushido code of morality and honor. Again, it had been explained earlier in the film that the Japanese regarded the Allied prisoners to be weak and dishonorable, because they did not kill themselves when captured. So, the fact that Reardon and Dusty were willing to sacrifice themselves for their group or even a single comrade undermined Ito's conviction of the superiority of the Bushido culture and the Japanese race. On top of that, the supposedly inferior prisoners had taken it upon themselves to work hard and diligently at their assigned task, rather than finding ways to avoid working, as Ito expected dishonorable slaves to do. Something was wrong, and he didn't know how to make sense of it. The prisoners' worldview, which was supposed to be vastly inferior to Bushido, was looking dangerously close to being honorable and conducive to a culture of selfless loyalty to others, mutual cooperation and justice. How could this be?

Dusty knew that his sacrifice would have this effect on Ito. He also knew it would have a parallel effect on Campbell. Campbell had been consumed with bitterness and an obsession with vengeance for the murder of his beloved colonel; an obsession that could only destroy his humanity. Dusty, being a devout Christian, saw that he had perhaps the only opportunity he would ever have to die so that another man might live -- not only in this world, but forever. His decision reflects his earlier quotation of a metaphor that Jesus used to illustrate the benefits of self-sacrifice: "Unless a kernal of corn falls into the ground and dies, it lives alone to itself; but if it dies, it brings forth much fruit." (Or something to that effect.) Campbell did not deserve Dusty's sacrifice on his behalf. He was a selfish man who was willing to sacrifice all of the other prisoners in order to satisfy his own lust for vengeance. Dusty knew that, Campbell himself knew it, and Dusty knew that Campbell knew it. Dusty also knew that his sacrifice could have nothing but a profound impact on Campbell, possibly enough to motivate him to change his ways and become a humane, forgiving man himself. Campbell's erratic behavior had already revealed his conflicted conscience. Perhaps an act of undeserved kindness on Campbell's behalf -- and not just any act of kindness, but the supreme one -- would lead to his redemption.

One of the things that is so interesting about these three characters -- Dusty, Ito and Campbell -- is that they all choose to live consistently with their ideologies, even to their own detriment. They are all heroic in that regard, and Reardon also becomes heroic in the same vein. Contrast their conviction with, say, the spineless, wanton character of the Japanese camp commander. That character's actions are impotent to convey any principles of how to live a good life. Any viewer who is willing to submit his interest to the story, though, cannot help but be moved by the moral dedication of these three other men. The primary moral question of the story, then, is which character's understanding of duty and honor is best suited to living what philosophers call "the good life"? Which would best counter the ubiquitous injustice that Plato described in the second chapter of *The Republic*, which Gordon addressed in one of the "schoolroom" scenes? Which ideology would result in the most humane society: Campbell's ideology of honor in vengeance, other men be damned; Ito's ideology of honor in ruthlessness and racial superiority; or Dusty's ideology of honor in forgiveness and self-sacrifice for the good of others?

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Thanks strainj,
I just saw the movie last night and had trouble "getting it", which always disturbs me. Your clear explanation has solved it all for me :)

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Then why the cross?

I know its horrible, but, assuming that Ito is bound up in the superiority of Japanese culture, why would he resort to a Western, christian method of execution? (I personally find it hard to believe that had a cross ready in the camp.)

I didn't think Japanese POW guards often used crosses like the old romans

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What you missed was the scene where Ito confiscates the bible. He flips through it and seems fascinated by the painting of Christ's crucifixion. This sets up Dusty's crucifixtion later.

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Pardon the tardy comment.

The Persians invented crucifixion as a means of torture around 700 BC, and it was adopted by the Romans. Remember Kirk Douglas being cricified as Spartacus--the real Spartacus was crucified in 71 BC. . It is only seen as a Christian act as a result of the death of Christ. The Japanese used it occasionally to torture Christians as they believed that crucifixion was very painful and that Christians feared it as a form of death.

The crucifixion in the move was depicted accurately. Conventional crucifixes invariably show the nails being driven through the palms of Christ's hands. The hand is mostly soft cartilege tissue, and will not support the weight of a human body. The nail through the wrist is correct, between the ulna and radius bones, as is the tieing of the feet rather than nailing. It is nearly impossible to drive a spike through two feet placed on top of each other.

How's that for more information than you ever wanted?

Colby

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The Japanese knew the method of crucifixion also from their own history. After the arrival of portuguese missionaries christian communities were set up in Japan before the Tokugawa period, when the europeans were driven out for special reasons and thosuands of japanese christians were killed - a lot of them nailed to the cross. In the time of the isolation, the christian religion was forbidden in Japan by penalty of death. In the crucification scene, Sgt. Ito bows down to Dusty Miller and whispers "Superstiton!", as did Cpt. Noguchi called it earlier in the movie. Dusty looks him straight in the eye and utters:"Do it!".
In some kind of way, the scene recites an earlier story of the clash of the european/christian and the japanese culture based on the bushido.

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Pardon the tardy comment, the real Spartacus was not crucified. He was not found after the final battle with Crassus so most historians think he died in the battle but his body was never confirmed.

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That is an excellent explanation, thank you for writing this.

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This is a bit strung out it think. There are lots of plausible explanations as to what he said. Assuming he wanted to bear the punishment of his superior officer is probably wrong because Cambell wasn't even Dusty's officer. Cambell was only Major to his regiment. I do agree with everything else you said though, Ito's astonshment at seeing the other races carry out such honorable acts, and what not.

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Thanks - your post wrapped up what i didnt understand of the movie - Im a bit satisfied now when i realise the full story -

even monkeys fall from trees

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During the commentary on the DVD the director explains that Dusty knows that the bushido code entails that a man may switch places with one(of higher rank)who is about to be executed. The chief of the guards must allow this to happen, but he wants to kill Campbell so badly, he chooses an extreme punishment for Dusty. This all actually happened.

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If you liked this then you should really watch a small Australia series called Changi.

It's also set in a WW2 Japanese POW camp and has more grit than your average sandstorm. It knocks all other POW movies/series that I've seen into a cocked hat... it's quite hard to watch at some points.

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James Clavell also had a novel about life in Changi camp, named King Rat.

I recommend it.

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Ronald Searle's book about Changi, with his own illustrations, is also very good.

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Excellent post Srainj, you really summed up this whole scene and its meaning. The movie offers a few hints beforehand, but many are subtle.

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i think he tells Sgt Ito, "superstition"

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I agree with Strainj's observations and later post on director's comments from the DVD. I Just saw the movie last night and was impressed. I also observed Dusty quoting John 15:13 " Greater love hath no man..." I was under the impression during the movie that Dusty was knowledgable of Japanese custom since he spoke the language and he bailed out Campbell during the first part of the movie . ( it was Campbell that he helped right? ) Until I read these posts my thoughts were that since the men had not taken actions against Campbell for his betrayal of the school and Reardon, which was clearly disturbing Campbell, maybe Dusty had said " you would punish him more by punishing me." With Dusty falling back on John 15:13. I thought Ito was fighting with himself towards the end.

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This is what he said:

"Look, I did it and he didn't. I was there. He was just sleeping. I planned the raid and I escaped. You can take me instead. I will lose my honor if he be killed."


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it said in the voice over that Dusty had shown forgiveness ??

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