I've been going over it in my head for months, and something just doens't make sense.
What man in his right mind gets into a car crash while trying NOT to get a blowjob from Scarlett Johanssen?!?! Wouldn't most men get into accidents trying to GET her to give them one?
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Well if you think about it, Ed is probably a closet homo.
Wife doesnt love him, they havent had sex in years, no kids, has a job touching men every day etc...
I didn't think about that. That seems reasonable. But I always just assumed part of the reason he took an interest in her was that she was attractive.
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I don't buy the homosexual angle. Too easy for the Coens.
I think Ed was taken aback by the sex act for the most part.
But in the end, I believe that he simply wanted to do the right thing.
The Coens have such a tradition of catapulting their characters to do the wrong thing (Ed, did the wrong thing a few times in TMWWT).
Ed doing the right thing was, in fact, a plot twist.
Also, remember, when TMWT came out, SJ wasn't the sex goddess that she has since become. She was a teenager. She was a hot teenager, but she was a teenager.
He's not homo. If anything he's asexual.
shareIf Crane were gay, he wouldn't have turned down The Pansy's "pass" in the hotel room. And he definitely would'nt have said that he was "out of line".
shareYeah because homosexuals always accept passes they get.
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I can see why it would be hard to think that way in 2015. But this movie was set in the 40s/50s. Gay people didn't have the luxury to step outside their closets. So to think that they wouldn't (rather didn't have the luxury to) pick and choose is not that big of a leap.
shareNo, but they wouldn't say "out of line", either.
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I'm trying to think of a polite way to say, "What a lame assertion."
2. Think about not using the dismissive term "homo" unless you're making a really bad attempt at period humor.
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She was underage at the time
What doesn't fit is the idea that an American middle-class teenage girl in 1950 would even consider giving a blowjob to anyone. At that time BJs were pretty much strictly limited to prostitutes. It wasn't until the movie "Deep Throat" in 1972 that BJs entered "polite" society as a normal sex act. I know it was a plot point, but it is definitely an anachronism, and it pulled me out of the movie.
share"What doesn't fit is the idea that an American middle-class teenage girl in 1950 would even consider giving a blowjob to anyone. At that time BJs were pretty much strictly limited to prostitutes. It wasn't until the movie "Deep Throat" in 1972 that BJs entered "polite" society as a normal sex act. I know it was a plot point, but it is definitely an anachronism, and it pulled me out of the movie."
Wrong. Deep throat popularised the act of deep throating, but oral sex has been a part of sexual practice since time began. Look at the Kama Sutra or ancient Greece. It is natural even behind the 50s facade that young people would experiment sexually. Don't be so naive.
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"Deep Throat" came out in 1972. Quite a long time after the time period of this movie, and it still caused quite a commotion. I'm not naive. I was there in the 50s, kid.
shareWrong. Deep throat popularised the act of deep throating, but oral sex has been a part of sexual practice since time began. Look at the Kama Sutra or ancient Greece. It is natural even behind the 50s facade that young people would experiment sexually. Don't be so naive.
Come on....I posted that five years ago! Yes, I see that I slightly misinterpreted what the poster said. Fair enough.
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Wow, you're right... that WAS 5 years ago! I guess it goes to show you have to be careful what you post on the Internet, it never goes away! ;)
Sorry, I was just reading the comments and saw what you said. I realize a lot of people aren't old as dirt like me and probably weren't adults back in the 50s so they have no way of knowing what things were like. We went through a sexual revolution in the 60s where we really lost our innocence in matters of sexuality. 50s society was quite reserved.
This is a common complaint I've had with several directors and writers over the years. I know that it's because they simply don't realize how much the 60s influenced our attitudes toward sex. BJ's happened, but like the OP said, it was mostly something you'd expect from a prostitute or in a big city, not from a typical teenage girl. In that respect, you can see why his character was so shocked by her action. I mean... heavens to betsy! ;)
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"It wasn't until the movie "Deep Throat" in 1972 that BJs entered "polite" society as a normal sex act."
I was having sex long before anybody ever heard of "Deep Throat" and blow jobs were quite common among regular people who had never even seen a prostitute. It was definitely not an anachronism. I am sympathetic that although you, too, were around then, you apparently didn't get one.
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shareIf I ever lost my interest in sex like he had, I'd wish for the chair.
shareI think one thing your all failing to remember (which clearly outlines Ed's sexual preference) was the scene when he had gone to see Creighton Tolliver to pay him the $10,000. Tolliver at one point winked at Ed and he responded with "Are you making a pass at me? Your out of line", or words to that effect. That should have showed you his inclination.
shareWas gonna post what royale said about the scene in the hotel where he makes a pass at him. I swear the people that post on here don't actually watch the movie properly or they wouldn't post such dumb questions.
shareGas chamber in California in those days, actually.
shareScarlet Johanssen is gorgeous (especially in 'We Bought a Zoo), but in the context of the movie despite her being a minor, she was the only thing that he liked about himself or others. He was his angel in some ways, then all of a sudden she wasn't what she thought she was. once again his world collapsed.
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I don't think he is gay but he is incapable of feeling emotion. He can't let anyone get close to him. Like Bidry on the piano, he simply hits the notes in life without putting any feeling into them. "What kind of a man are you?" Could it be that Crane is in fact a sociopath?
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They had a saying in those days, "Fifteen will get you twenty". Although Birdy's age isn't specified (IIRC), she was definitely jailbait.
shareFifteen will get you twenty.
The thing is that she was underage, NOT TO MENTION the daughter of his close friend.
It is an interesting point that someone brought up about how he had idealized her, basically put her up on a pedestal. There may be some credibility to that. She was like an angel to him, and when she made a move on him, it totally blew his opinion of her.
Great film though.
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this, I agree with.
Because someone has to be the responsible adult. Unlike today.
She was under-aged, and he knew it was the wrong thing to promote at the time.
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Claiming his rejection of fellatio was due to him being a "responsible adult" is totally off base. His decisions throughout the film show again and again how irresponsible and out of touch he is. One thing that definitely doesn't fit is Walter letting Crane habitually hang out with Birdy. Like that is normal.
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