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MATRIX 4-5-6

posted 9 years ago by NEO-from-the-MATRIX
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What about a new Matrix trilogy ? Let's have a positive and creative discussion about ideas. Here are some of them :

- Prequel trilogy that tells the story of how the machines went from slaves to masters, about the war and the creation of the Matrix

- Prequel trilogy telling the stories of the 5 other Ones, Neo’s predecessors (Merovingian, Seraph may be previous Ones)

- Sequel trilogy of how the peace didn't last that long, as peace is not a natural human situation and the humans tried to regain dominion over machines and the Earth

- Sequel trilogy of how the machines and humans achieve peace, restore the earth, and finally set out on the path to their mutual potential as a coexisting civilization.

- Sequel trilogy to serve as an expansion on the original trilogy, revealing that there are multiple Matrix programs and multiple human cities (multiple zions) on separate parts of the world and that the Neo’s matrix covered 10% of the free/enslaved humans.

- Sequel trilogy about the solution to the conflict between machines and humans, by merging of AI and humanity into a single, unified race of superhuman cyborgs

Another direct sequel to Revolutions would be the continuation of Sati's sub-plot from the original trilogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXBXD44Ymww 5:08 to 5:41.

The Oracle accepted to be betrayed by Rama Kandra and his wife (who sold her termination codes for her appearance to the Merovingian, who attacked her and destroyed her old appearance, probably thinking he would delete her entirely) in order to ultimately "obtain" Sati. In fact, the Oracle said she "had to", as she foresees that Sati will play an important role in both worlds in the future.

Do you guys think the Oracle would want to try to replace the program of the Architect with Sati, as the Matrix's new Architect? I mean, Sati "architects" a nice sunrise for Neo, but she has no ability to program the Matrix.

Or maybe the Oracle would want Sati to be the next Oracle, as in the original trilogy the Oracle teaches Sati how to "make cookies", a metaphoric way of showing the Oracle is transferring knowledge from her to Sati.

Do you have other creative ideas? Please share.

[–] dirtyharrylime 9 years ago

This is one of the best posts on all the Matrix threads. Instead of the endless debates about whether or not the sequels are good, a discussion about where else the story can go.

First off, I don't want The Matrix to end up like Star Wars, going on and on without a firm ending to the story and other directors and writers handling The Matrix after the Wachowski's have passed on. It shouldn't become a cashcow like Star Wars, and The Matrix story isn't about an endless struggle between dark and light force users in a massive galaxy with stories spanning thousands of years. The Matrix is about one conflict on earth that cannot go on forever which the first trilogy showed because enslavement of one side by the other is only a bandaid solution to the conflict that eventually leads to the potential of mutually assurred destruction, and you might even say self-destruction because Neo and The Oracle risked the survival of both sides to end the war. Therefore, there ought to be an ending to the conflict within The Matrix by either having one side wiped out, both sides wiped out, or both sides choosing to become one, and thus no longer apart and in conflict which is what I want to see.

So here's what I want them to do:

-not a prequel trilogy about the second renaissance events, but a single movie that also covers the 5 other ones. It would be too repetitive to do a whole trilogy of the 5 other ones, and the machines taking over doesn't need a whole trilogy. A Matrix movie should be more about the matrix, and not mostly about other things before the matrix even existed, so I'd prefer to see just one movie that leads up to the original movie, with maybe the first twenty to thirty minutes covering the machines taking over.

-Sequel trilogy and final conclusion about the solution to the conflict between machines and humans, by merging of AI and humanity into a single, unified race of superhuman cyborgs that ushers in a new dawn of civilization on Earth, and human consciousnesses living in the matrix, a sort of Heaven on Earth for the mind, with Neo's consciousness serving within the matrix as a guide to the humans and the machines. The conflict would be humans and machines who oppose the change creating a more complicated war than in the first trilogy.

-the other Zions to expand the scope, but done in anime and graphic novels to not water down the original trilogy and be too repetitive but still make room for plenty of side material.

*This would make The Matrix a seven part movie series with endless side stories in anime, comics, and graphic novels for the hardcore fans.

[–] NEO-from-the-MATRIX 9 years ago

Great points! Thank you for your contribution! Hope Warner Bros. and the Wachowskis are reading these suggestions, as I don't know if they have an e-mail address or some Facebook page to make suggestions for future films.

[–] dirtyharrylime 9 years ago

I do wonder sometimes how often A-list film industry people come to these boards for ideas or just for fun. I'm sure there must be some and we don't even know who they are. Here and there, they do come here and actually make their presence known and it's legit. Travis Milloy, the writer/producer of 'Pandorum' is around sometimes. I loved that movie but it didn't get too much attention unfortunately.

[–] NEO-from-the-MATRIX 9 years ago

I think they should do. IMDB is like their Facebook or LinkedIN.

[–] psmithyyyyy 8 years ago

or both sides choosing to become one

isn't this already the case, with the humans and machines literally connected?

[–] viva_la_verve 9 years ago

I really like that interpretation some hardcore fans came up with about how the trilogy wasn't actually about humans or the war but about the AI growing into a higher form of consciousness. So, IMO, any sequels should be an expansion and exploration of such ideas.

I mean, these would still be Matrix films, so they need to have a lot of action sequences, but I don't think having another all out war between humans and machines should be necessary.

Neo could still be the protagonist, as he apparently became one with the machines at the end of Revolutions (by the Oracle's comment to Sati and that golden light emanating from his body after his passing).

[–] bsharporflat 9 years ago

some hardcore fans came up with about how the trilogy wasn't actually about humans or the war but about the AI growing into a higher form of consciousness. So, IMO, any sequels should be an expansion and exploration of such ideas

I agree. The end of Revolutions shows the future in the hands of kinder, wiser Machines. Sequels need to springboard from that.

I mean, these would still be Matrix films, so they need to have a lot of action sequences, but I don't think having another all out war between humans and machines should be necessary.

But I think it is wise to remember that we weren't shown "an all out war between humans and machines" in the Matrix trilogy. It was all exposed to be a game being played between higher powers.

The Machines created Zion and they could destroy it anytime they wanted. Human effort in "the war" were feeble and pointless. The real action was going on between the Architect and The Oracle and the puppets/pawns Neo and Agent Smith.

Neo could still be the protagonist, as he apparently became one with the machines at the end of Revolutions (by the Oracle's comment to Sati and that golden light emanating from his body after his passing).

The golden light did signify that Neo was connected directly, in the real world, to the Machine World. The thing is, he still seemed pretty clueless in the end.

Perhaps if they had Neo return but with Oracle-like prescience, wisdom and understanding. That might be the basis for a new World Order with humans and machines on equal footing. But as the Wachowskis left it, Machines were still completely running everything and humans were either left completely delusional in the Matrix, buried in a cave deep underground or, like Neo, on call should they ever need to be bring him back for a new "dangerous game" with the Architect.

[–] viva_la_verve 9 years ago

But I think it is wise to remember that we weren't shown "an all out war between humans and machines" in the Matrix trilogy. It was all exposed to be a game being played between higher powers.

The Machines created Zion and they could destroy it anytime they wanted. Human effort in "the war" were feeble and pointless. The real action was going on between the Architect and The Oracle and the puppets/pawns Neo and Agent Smith.

Yeah, I can't argue with that. Humans outside The Matrix just have no chance against the machines. But you also have to remember that every human inside The Matrix is also part machine, and if their minds are compatible with The Matrix code, does that also mean they are also compatible with the code from which the machine's consciousness arises? If that were the case, then maybe humans plugged to the Matrix could pose some level of threat to the machines. Does this makes any sense or am I just talking nonsense? haha.

The golden light did signify that Neo was connected directly, in the real world, to the Machine World. The thing is, he still seemed pretty clueless in the en

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Come on, he didn't turned out to be that clueless, he figured out on his own that he needed to make a deal with the machines and that they would even listen to him. He also understood that the only way everything would end would be by allowing the equation to balance itself (that's what happened when Smith copied himself on Neo, right?).

[–] bsharporflat 9 years ago

- Prequel trilogy telling the stories of the 5 other Ones, Neo’s predecessors (Merovingian, Seraph may be previous Ones)

This and the story of the rise of the machine and destruction of earth seem to be the best prequel material.

- Sequel trilogy of how the peace didn't last that long, as peace is not a natural human situation and the humans tried to regain dominion over machines and the Earth

I think this idea is misguided. The "war" had nothing to do with the "human situation" except being part of a greater system of control. In the Matrix World, humans are powerless in the face of machine intelligence, foresight, technology and numbers.

I suppose you could argue that the human cycles of destruction and creation are replicated for the human remnants, by the machines, to give them a more "human-like" experience. But the human need for war is EXACTLY why humans are not running the world any more and never will again.. The Architect and the Oracle are superhumanly advanced beings who have more "civilized" methods of working out disagreements than having wars.

- Sequel trilogy of how the machines and humans achieve peace, restore the earth, and finally set out on the path to their mutual potential as a coexisting civilization.

I can't see it. The Machines don't need human civilization. It is primitive and barbaric. Look at Zion. It sucks. Zion has a few decent souls but Capt. Jason Lock seems to represent too many of these cavemen. Then there are the adolescent types like The Kid and Link. At least we have Morpheus and some of the Council and Neo. Are these humans advanced and noble enough to offer something of value to the Machine World (including The Oracle)? I think not.

- Sequel trilogy to serve as an expansion on the original trilogy, revealing that there are multiple Matrix programs and multiple human cities (multiple zions) on separate parts of the world and that the Neo’s matrix covered 10% of the free/enslaved humans.

Seems too complicated and confusing, with nowhere to go but sideways.

Or maybe the Oracle would want Sati to be the next Oracle, as in the original trilogy the Oracle teaches Sati how to "make cookies", a metaphoric way of showing the Oracle is transferring knowledge from her to Sati.

I think this is the best, most logical direction for a sequel. By showing how Sati evolves into an "Oracle" and showing how she learns to train and manipulate the next "Neo" (and the next Morpheus), it would show how the process worked in the past, negating the need for a prequel.

[–] bbark1 9 years ago

Prequels are almost always disappointing, besides much of that material was covered in the Animatrix.

I think the best way forward would be to introduce a new virus to the system and further show the dependence of the machines on the humans this go around. One thing that always got me about Reloaded and Revolutions was that the Wachowski's always said that there would be a three part film series, and then said that the the last two films were one film broken in half. Seems there should still be a third film out there to me. But I think they decided they wanted to be out of the Matrix business and crafted the end so there couldn't be anymore films ( without the star, at least ).

[–] bsharporflat 9 years ago

As good as maitre_claudiu's idea for sequels is, I think they will never be made.

So much of what is going on with The Oracle, Seraph, Sati and The Architect happens off stage, behind the scenes. If they made it explicitly clear what was going on with them, the sense of mystery and god-like superiority would be ruined. And with Neo and Trinity dead, they'd have to introduce new human characters (which is what ruined Reloaded and Revolutions) or resurrect them and reveal their cloned nature.

Of course if they did make sequels, I'd be first in line at the theater to watch.

[–] rainofwalrus 9 years ago

- Sequel trilogy of how the machines and humans achieve peace, restore the earth, and finally set out on the path to their mutual potential as a coexisting civilization.

(great thread. btw.)

I have a theory that SATI(?) and NEO(5) are two sides of the same coin. I'll break it down:

NEO() is essentially a Program with a Body (as Smith later becomes), and this Body is the chemical bottle-neck that divides Machine-minds from Human-minds.

SATI() is essentially a Program without a Function (as Smith later becomes), and this Function is the algorithmic bottle-neck that divides Human-minds from Machine-minds.

...

Vitalist; The Human-mind's Function is to pilot the Human-body.
Mechanist; The Machine-mind's Function is to determine and categorize Function(s).

In the end, the machines cannot apply all they have learned from NEO() without SATI(). And the Oracle(Function==Understanding Humans) understands this before any of the other programs do.

I feel the end of III perfectly sets up the [coexisting civilization] angle since it drives home (however vague) just how important SATI() really is.

Enjoy these words, for one day they'll be gone... All of them.

[–] benjobuff 9 years ago

The machines now have neo's body. I believe they would use it somehow

[–] NEO-from-the-MATRIX 8 years ago

Thanks guys for the positive and constructive posts! :)

[–] Necroburn 8 years ago

I think the idea of machine and humans merging is a great one. There could be two, a bad One that wants to annihilate the humans and machines and perhaps a good One that wants to protect both the machines and humans.

Combine that with the multiple matrixes and it'd be *beep* awesome.

Digging to the rhythm and the echo of a solitary siren.

[–] NEO-from-the-MATRIX 8 years ago

Nice proposition ! It would really be interesting to see if the Matrix 4 will finally be made, after Jurassic Park and Star Wars revivals. I would be realky great!

[–] bsharporflat 8 years ago

Given the Wachowski Brothers' continued lack of success, I can see it happening someday.

[–] dirtyharrylime 8 years ago

Considering the Wachowski's have had three bombs in a row with Speed Racer, Cloud Atlas, and Jupiter Ascending, I'd say they have little favor with any major studio at this point with a big budget film except with a return to the Matrix.

I'd like to see them write one prequel and one sequel at the same time and go from there. Release a prequel, then a more limited re-release of the Matrix trilogy, and then release a Matrix 5.

Then you'd have:

The Birth of the Matrix
The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions
The Matrix Reconfigured

[–] domester82 8 years ago

Indeed. The Wachowskis haven't had a lot of cinematic success lately (although I quite liked Cloud Atlas, personally). So I can see them returning to the universe which made their name. (Like Chris Carter did with the X Files revival recently). I can see them doing more Matrix. Hopefully sooner rather than later

[–] JamalWali 8 years ago

There is already a prequel to the Matrix, its called the Animatrix.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold" - Old Afghan proverb

[–] benwilkinson-23140 7 years ago

Im more interested in how you got Green Text and Bold Text Dearie?

[–] KingCobra686 7 years ago

Are you on a computer or a phone? The options for text color and bold are right above where you type, next to the things for quotes and spoilers.