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Underage Nudity? O_o


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KN was born in 1985...

The hole came out in 2001...

Probably in production in 2000...

Kiera has a 'flashing' scene in this movie and wouldnt that be illegal since she would only be 16/17 years old at the time? just curous, seemed kinda odd...

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Your math sucks
Keira Knightley was born 26th March 1985
The movie was released 20th April 2001

That makes her 16 when it was released, and since I doubt it was shot, cut, edited, dubbed and prepped for release in a month, then it would have made her 15.

However remember this was shot in the UK, the laws in the UK is that you can do nudity at 16 with parental consent.

It is possible that the flashing scene was done at the end of march and edited in.

Otherwise you are looking at jailbait

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"Breasts" are not nudity. Except maybe in Saudi Arabia and the US.

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Then only Saudi Arabia and the US have laws that are consistent, since touching breasts without consent is sexual assault in practically every country.

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Unwarranted/unwanted touching of ANY part of one's body is assault. Most can be considered sexual in nature. Touching another person's body is virtually always sexual, or physically violent, particularly when unwarranted.

That said, I agree that the nudity laws and discomfort around such is ridiculous, but it is obvious why (countless disordered people, violent, disgusting, disrespectful, inhumane Humans exist). Quite an interesting comparison there... And not far off! (SA & USA)

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Saudi Arabia, US, what's the difference? How long did it take Clayton Lockett to die in Oklahoma by lethal injection in 2014? 43 minutes, I believe. But I expect the good ole boys who executed him all believe in God.

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The difference(s) between Saudi Arabia and the USA are in their locations (one is in North America, while the other is in the Middle East), their geopolitics, state religion, education system, culture, industry, media, etc.

Did/does Clayton Lockett have something to do with anything or something?
"He took 43 to die". Okay... soooo... what?

I wonder how long the woman he kidnapped and buried alive's ordeal lasted? Or the people he raped?

Almost *nobody* gives a shit it took him 43 minutes to die. Could have taken an hour and 45 minutes, nobody would care.
(Except you, apparently, and other murder/rapist sympathizers).

I'm sure most of the COs involved in his execution believed in God as well, though.
I guess you could say they were just doing the Lord's good work.

Although, God/the Bible (Leviticus 24:19–21) says "what he has done, so shall be done to him".
So, I guess... *technically*, were they REALLY trying to obey the word of God, they'd have raped him and buried him alive instead of letting him off with a 43minute lethal injection.

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When the movie was filmed (July 2, 2000- Nov 9, 2000) she was 15.
That makes is illegal.
You're saying I can film a 14 year old having sex, but as long as I release it when she turns 18, i'm all good?
Do you know why all of track lords early films were pulled for sale in US? B/c she was underage. You can't buy them now even though she's in her 40's.
It's when the person is filmed that makes it kiddie porn. Not when it's shown.

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What you say is not remotely relevant to this conversation.

Back on topic.. I have seen a movie with a fully nude girl about age 8 or 10 or whatever. I can't remember the movie now, but as I recall it fit with the scene as she was exiting a bathtub or a pool. I didn't think anything of it until I was thinking about the film several days later. The rules for this type of thing are different depending on where you shoot.

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Except it was filmed in the UK not the US and breasts don't equal kiddy porn

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They don't in the US either. Showing breasts isn't sexual activity therefore not porn.

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It's entirely possible that they used the metal bars as a convenient means to edit in another body without making it look too Sleepaway Camp, as well. I doubt it, though. However, nudity laws are weird in all countries. If you check out the trivia section for The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane it mentions that the director had to use Jodie Foster's sister for the nude scene in the bedroom because she didn't want to do it herself. My first thought when reading this was that it was odd that 13 year old Jodie Foster being naked apparently wasn't an issue if she was alright with it.

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Legal in the US with parents consent. No sexual activity depicted.

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Keira was fifteen when she filmed her scenes, including flashing her breasts. In the UK, and North America, a child can do nudity onscreen with parental permission, but not pornography.

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In the UK, and North America, a child can do nudity onscreen with parental permission, but not pornography.
Or sex scenes.

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Sex scenes are legal as well as long as it's not actual sex (cuz that would be kiddie porn).

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This poses a question, then:

If a girl does nudity in a movie, with parental permission, when she is under eighteen, it is legal.

If still photography of that nudity is posted on the the internet, does it then become child pornography? Can someone be prosecuted for viewing this material away from the original source (the film)?

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nope... im 100% sure of this law, underage nudity is alright as long as the person in it is not in a sexual suggestive pose. Example, if there is a photo of alot of 12 year old nudist playing dodgeball the US government can not do a thing about it. If you get a pic of a naked kid in an unnatural pose like touching themselves or bighting their lip... well YOUR $CREWED.... i wanted to use a diff word but i think my post would be deleted... im not sure
Oh also if the law when this photo or video was taken aloud the viewing of this and the law gets changed a day later, that content is still legal

which makes me wonder why KN got away with a flash considering that flashing is a sexual suggestive statement... im guessing it is because it was from the UK and thats not as suggestive as it is over here in the states

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yeah ... being only 15 or 16 and going topless in a movie is um sick. just because it's for a movie doesnt make it ok ... how would society like it when high school girls go topless in a school play .... ?

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A movie shooting is in an enclosed area of adults.
A school play is in front of hundreds of horny teenagers.
You have to be retarded not to see the difference.
Also, movies and plays are art, while porno is not art.

And no one cares about your opinion anyway, except for your mom maybe.

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Horny teenagers.. Horny VERY aged men..

YEAH, GREAT POINT.

Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.

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movies and plays are art, while porno is not art

/opinion



See what I did there?

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Porn can be art, don't be so dense! My point in case: Artist Dahmane featuring French model Chloe Des Lysses!

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(Gregg Araki's Doom Generation)

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so adults can't be perverted and horny? pretty sure you're the real retard here. and if anything i think it's less sick if it's horny teenagers, since they are all around the same age. and your whole porno argument is stupid as well. you can easily turn a solo porno scene into ''art''

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how would society like it when high school girls go topless in a school play .... ?


Society seems to be handling the full frontal nudity from a 17 year old school boy--Daniel Radcliffe--in Equus. Well most of the world other than pockets of puritanism in the USoA.

But the question is posed [and probably answered in the Harry Potter pages], could he do the play at this age in the USoA?

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Daniel Radcliff was born in 1989. In 2007 when Equus was made, he turned 18.

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Nope, he was 17 when Equus debuted

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probably quite a bit.

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I would want to see that play (sorry its been a long time, I am only 19 though).
In all seriousness I think its sad that people would be this worried about a tit I mean come on get a life, Americans think that were the ones that are uptight but come on we dont bitch, moan and scrutanize every little thing heaven forbid someone was to swear or get a boob out on LATE NIGHT television shocker. I would love to see an american watch the Graham Norton show or Roy "Chubby" Brown


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Such a lot of posts about a very trivial issue. Are we really interested in KN tits?

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Desperate people can always go to any European beach in the summer and see hundreds of 15 to 50 year old breasts.

Big deal.

US people are really odd sometimes.

I really wonder what kind of letters you get in your film rags...

"At the end of that dismemberment scene, just before the girl's head exploded in slow motion, her left breast was shortly uncovered. I cannot express strongly enough how much this is not an appropriate spectacle for today's youth"

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who the *beep* are you to set standards? hahaha just because the states are so conservative about this doesn't mean the rest of the world gives a *beep*

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you can get on dailymotion or youtube and probably see girls who actually look 15 flashing their boobs. Kira doesn't even look underage cuz of her face, she looks of age.

Its all *beep* up really. Hannah Montana girl gets pictures of her posing sexy all over the media, shes 15 and no one bats an eye over it being illegal, but kira knightley flashes her tits in a movie for one second when shes 15 and everyone *beep* I mean "kiddy porn" shouldn't be considered of 15 year old girls flashing their boobs for one second. If they look like a women whats really the difference. I always thought "kiddy porn" was girls or boys that are like 8-13 actually having sex on camera and doing things of a sexual nature. showing your boobs isn't exactly sex, everyone knows you have them, everyone knows what boobs look like. I mean im 19 so I could really care less if she is 15, I know of guys who are 18-20 that have had sex with girls that age, I would never do that, but it happens often. It's not like she was 12 or 13 when it was filmed, that would be a little bit different.

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No, it's not sick.

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Different societies have different standards. Go to a beach in Europe sometime. Bathing suits are optional regardless of age. In places that weren't founded by Puritans, nudity isn't a big deal.

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Sick is right! I was so disgusted,I threw up out of my dick!

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"...how would society like it when high school girls go topless in a school play?"

In Anglo-Saxon USA, UK and Australia, they'd probably freak out. In the rest of the world they say it's artistic and totally in context. But in Anglo Saxon USA they have young cheerleaders showing their knickers at every game and four-year-olds with fake breasts taking part in child beauty pageants. You tell me which society is the more perverted.

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How is that not still insulting to Jews? moving on...

A play may actually be better, besides the live audience part, a play is seen by a much much smaller amount of people.

Also, Porn can be an art. It isn't, generally because content is much more important then form in a Porno, but that can be true for many hollywood mainstrem movies today, not just Porn.

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You've got to remember that this is Keira Knightley.

Movie producers seem to almost have to fight to keer her from getting her breasts OUT in most of her films.

It's an exceptional case.

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If she actually had boobs, this might matter. But she is really skinny and has tiny boobs. For some guys, skinny with a flat chest is good, but not for me. It was Thora Birch's rack I was hoping to see, really. But she just got squeezed with clothes on...

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watch american beauty xD

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Fine with me.

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Let's not forget that Thora Birch did a topless scene in American Beauty, she was underage at the time. It was, of course, done with her parents' permission.

Which leads me to wonder how do you ask a minor's parents if you can have their permission to film their underage daughter naked?? I swear I would punch a guy out if he asked me that...LOL

I always tell the truth....I'm lying.

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just wave a big enough check under their nose, they'll agree to anything. also, i don't see the problem really.

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"Which leads me to wonder how do you ask a minor's parents if you can have their permission to film their underage daughter naked??"

i think the conversation usually starts with "so this is how much she's going to get paid...."

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thank god for great teens =)

heres the clip for all you pervs :P
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/183233/keira_knightley_flashing/

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apparently thora birch's nude scene in american beauty wos actually a body double, using the frame of the window she stood infront of to cover the change in face and body, as thora's face was obviously still used.

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nudity isn't pornography

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Why does it matter now? That was what, 6 years ago? It's not like they can do much about it now if it was illegal.

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Thora Birch did not use a body double. There was alot of hoopla in the media when it came out and she was interviewed. As for how do you ask a parents permission? When she tries out for the part she gets a script and the parents know. I am American but I get so sick of how stuck we are on Nudity=Porn. Religious politicians are even trying to get the Lady Liberty statue redone to have a top put on it.

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Thora did not have a body double, and nudity (at any age) is not illegal in the USA. Pornography with a minor involved is (BIG difference).

The classic example that is always brought up is Brooke Shields who did full frontal nudity at the age of 11/12 in Pretty Baby - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078111/

Even though the theme of the story for Pretty Baby was sexual (her character, Violet was actually a prostitute) however the 5-10 sec clips of her in full frontal nudity were not sexual in any way.

So no… the issue with Keira doing nudity at 15/16 has nothing to do with it being filmed in the UK verses the USA.

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I think part of the reason we have so many problems in this country (US) is because we're so hung up about nudity and sex.

Why does everything I whip leave me?

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Keira Knightly lies about her age. She was born in 1983, not 1985. It's that simple.

Meh!

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You're the one lying. The birth records in England are all public so it's fairly easy to check these things if you're so inclined.

Not that it would make any difference. There's no 16 year limit in play here.

There is an 18 year age limit for porn, of course. But I hope even the most hysterical of people would find it hard to argue that it's relevant here.

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The statue of liberty is wearing a top... well, a sheet...


I'm anespeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericumbobulations...

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Lady Justice holding the scales, is not the Statue of Liberty. And Lady Justice is topless. And blindfolded.

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She was 15 when it was filmed, but if she was 16 or 17 it would be legal because people in the UK become legal at 16.

Anyway, she was underage, but in the UK actors can do nude scenes with parental permission

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Quote: She was 15 when it was filmed, but if she was 16 or 17 it would be legal because people in the UK become legal at 16.
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So people in the UK aren't legal until they become 16 :-D



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