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Grandparents were 100% right


Anyone else think so? I'm not talking about the deaf grandparents

--Only he is wise who knows he knows nothing

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Totally agree.

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I accept that that is your opinion, but I think that it's important for you to be open-minded to the opinions and views of others. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but from your comment it seemed as though you disagreed/disapproved of the deaf community, and that can be highly offensive to a lot of people. I think it's in your best interest to remember to be respectful and accepting of other people's beliefs (not just the one in this movie). Your intonation can change everything about a statement. Remember to be respectful, please.

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The deaf parents in this documentary, and the deaf community they surrounded themselves with were absolutely ignorant. They took offense to the hearing parents wanting to make their child be able to hear. I cannot fathom why they felt that if their daughter got the implant that she would no longer sign and be part of the deaf community. Don't they understand that the daughter would still be able to sign, but also hear people speak?

I was shouting at the television. The deaf father was one of the most absent minded individuals I have ever seen in my whole life. Completely ridiculous.

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i dont think i have ever been as angry in my life as this documentary made me. first the way the parents sounded sometimes like almost on some conspiracy theory level of unfairness towards the deaf. i think they are seeing things in a way darker or meaner way than it is. but i dont even care about that, the little girl wants to hear. its what she wants. all i could think while watching this is that somebody wants to deny their child the chance to hear the words i love you spoken to them. to hear beethovens 9th, bachs air. the hamonies of the beach boys and the melodies of the beatles. to hear martin luther king jrs speech at washington or neil arstrong on the moon. to hear the joy of laughter and the sorrow of crying. a hummingbirds wings and the roar of thunder.

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I completely disagree. I think both sets of parents made the correct decision. If a child with a cochlear implant needs to use speech to communicate in order for the implant to be successful, the fact is that it won't be successful in a family that uses ASL. No amount of speech therapy can ever compete with total immersion--it's like the difference between growing up in Spain and taking High School Spanish.

Also, both sets of grandparents were *beep* Clearly the men's father never bothered to learn sign language, and the woman's mother was only worried about whether the kid would eventually hurt her feelings. Jesus christ, woman. You're an adult and you're talking about a baby. Grow the f up.

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Yes the hearing grandparents were right.

Heather, her mother & siblings eventually all got the implant.

I was so angry with the father throughout this film. He was letting his fear and defensiveness rule his judgment. I'm sure he looks back at the things he said in this film and cringes.

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You guys are all shouting about who is the most ignorant without taking any look at yourselves. For one thing, you obviously haven't done your homework when romanticizing that one beautiful day when a child with a cochlear implant gets to hear beethovens 9th. Have you ever heard what beethovens 9th sounds like through a successful cochlear implant? It sounds like noise! Total garbage! Cochlear implants are NOT the miracle cures you assume them to be. Don't assume the deaf parents to be ignorant when you are ignorant to being deaf.

I'm not against cochlear implants if someone makes an informed decision about it. But none of you guys seem very informed. There are cons to having the implant. If the child stays deaf she will be firmly involved with a culture that embraces her. If she gets a cochlear implant she won't truly belong in either culture. Because she will NOT be truly hearing. Yes, she will probably more likely excel in hearing education. But there is a cost to pay for that. You have to realize that.

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This whole issue started up again today after yahoo posted a video of a toddler who had just received an implant hearing his mother for the first time. This is a personal choice, but I think it's wonderful that both kids got them, the girl later than the boy, but she did get one, too. It gives them much more opportunities.

I love my autistic son, but I would do anything to him to give him more opportunity.

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Here newwavepop. Before you spout off about how ignorant those parents were and then bestowed all of us with your infinite wisdom about what an atrocity it was that these parents were denying their children to listen to the beautiful music of beethoven. Now you can follow this link to hear an audioclip of what a cochlear implant sounds like so you can realize how stupid you sounded when you wrote this.

http://www.hei.org/research/aip/audiodemos.htm

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Not to mention, the surgery destroys any residual hearing one has, which could be utilized in better procedures to come.

L'enfer, c'est les autres

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This link no longer worked and I was interested in your point, even though your irritation is palpable. I found a video on youtube that demonstrates the sound of the Cochlear implant.

To be honest, I think that it sounds pretty amazing, it's certainly not "noise" You can hear the distinction between peoples voices, but music and especially instrumental music sounds better than speech. We owe so much thanks to the people who have devoted their lives and research to helping people hear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00WOao4kpwM&list=PLJKCXXLxPGmgxQNUx kWoFZPZ2tWTTo_IA&index=1

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I disagree. I felt from the bits and pieces I saw in the movie that they didn't inform themselves enough to be so hard on the deaf parents. Also I feel like I can understand the deaf parents in their reasoning and feelings. Mind you, I am hearing and know not one deaf person. But it is a conflicting situation and it is hard on deaf kids with and without the implant.
I couldn't judge them even if I wanted to.
But the grandparents, they didn't visit families with implanted children, they didn't even speak properly ASL although they raised a deaf child!

Also the hearing parents that were visited irritated me because they didn't teach their deaf but cochlear implanted children ASL. I just can't understand why, because to me that is even more limiting than not implanting your deaf child.

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