Wasn't Melody selfish?


Wasn't Melody a bit Self centured in the movie? She thought of noone but herself, and was hitched on becoming a Mermaid.

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Actually, just like Sebastian had said in the movie, "You're just like...like your mother."

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Princess Melody is not too bad, but I think she does need a few Lessons in of Royalty life such as the roles of a Princess setting a good example, thinking about her people and making Important Descions to make them safe and Assured. That is what a Real Princess should do.

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i thought she was selfish and really REALLY annoying. i really couldn't stand her she was like a know it all. ariel is way cooler than her.

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i thought she was a little brat, and was praying for Morgana to kill her at the end

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She sucks! Along with Ariel! Rei Anayami and Shaak Ti are way better.

If I can mix Code Lyoko, Anime, Freddy, Jason, Alien, Predator, Marvel and DC together.

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Whats your poblem with Disney's take of fairy tales? are the type of person who reads the original stories and bash on these movies for not being true to the original source?

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He does this to every board he goes on that isn't to his liking. It's mostly Disney shows or movies that he bashes.

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He justs hates disney because he thinks that it copies off anime.He even hates The Lion King.wouldn't it be better to just ignore?

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More than that, I don't like teh direction Disney has been taking.

If I can mix Code Lyoko, Anime, Freddy, Jason, Alien, Predator, Marvel and DC together.

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It's taken that direction since it began,with Snow White the seven dwarfs,to tell you the truth the original story it supossed to be a horror story,real raw.

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I don't mean that direction, I mean when disney was taken over by michael Eisner with those stupid sequels, trying to kill 2D animation and buying Pixar.

If I can mix Code Lyoko, Anime, Freddy, Jason, Alien, Predator, Marvel and DC together.

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We need the trational Animation 2D back in Disney, it had made alot of profit and it can still do now, if they try. For one day, 3D is going to go out of fashion.

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You know, you're the only guy in this board who said something that actually makes sense.

If I can mix Code Lyoko, Anime, Freddy, Jason, Alien, Predator, Marvel and DC together.

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Thank you, for I sincerly miss 2D animation so much.

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I MISS IT TOO!! I miss how it actually took someone using their hands to draw out the character's and use their own artistic talents in order to make a quality cartoon.

There are lots of things I like about Disney, but there are lots of things I wish they would rethink.

Such as the whole ANTZ then A BUG'S LIFE.
Then there was FINDING NEMO which came out before SHARK TALE even though SHARK TALE was made before FINDING NEMO. And then of course MADAGASCAR and THE WILD which are...well...pretty f'n similar.

And since we're talking about anime, I heard that the anime style, such as the big doe-eyes and whatnot actually came from Bambi. They were trying to copy the style of Bambi which is funny because now American cartoonists now copy the anime style. So it's Japan copying America, America copying Japan. But, I'm not sure if it's fact or not, that's just what I heard.

Anywho, that's what.

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"And since we're talking about anime, I heard that the anime style, such as the big doe-eyes and whatnot actually came from Bambi. They were trying to copy the style of Bambi which is funny because now American cartoonists now copy the anime style. So it's Japan copying America, America copying Japan. But, I'm not sure if it's fact or not, that's just what I heard."

When the Japanese started anime or 'manga' they realized that if they drew larger eyes it would show more emotion. That is why chibis or 'small-body characters' have such large eyes and characters that show less emotion such as Sesshomaru in Inuyasha have smaller eyes. They didn't copy from Bambi.


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And most of the early artists claim they got the inspiration for 'large eyes showing emotion' from Disney films. Not overprotective Anime here; I prefer American/Canadian cartoons. Just saying.

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Actually, they did. I read a book on the history of anime. I forgot what it was called, because I don't know if they have it in my school anymore, I'll go look for it later. And there was a...kind of documentary on anime that was OnDemand for awhile. If I knew how to upload parts of video properly onto Youtube without using my digital camera I would show you...

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not sure what point you're trying to make with the Madagascar v. The Wild comment, seeing as Madagascar isn't a Disney movie. Were you trying to say that they ripped off Dreamworks?

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Yes, I was trying to say they ripped off Dreamworks.

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We need the traditional Animation 2D back in Disney, it had made alot of profit and it can still do now, if they try. For one day, 3D is going to go out of fashion.


Hm.. that was written in 2006....


Anyways, Teh Princhessh and teh frawg... ^__^
*cough* amazing movie that exceeded my expectations so go see it *cough*

You make me sick.

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Will you shut the frick up and code Lyoko is a nerd show that geeks watch.

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I don't watch Lyoko. I perfer shows like Dragonball Z and Fullmetal Alchemist that the story goes from episode to episode. Not one story per episode.


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Like I said, I wasn't sure. Thanks for confirming.

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Melody is a little selfish (and annoying) but so was Ariel (er...not annoying). Personally I always thought it made Ariel seem more realistic to have a few faults such as that rather then be stereotypically Disney-princess sweet and kind.

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I never did like Melody, but you have to admit that you would be a little like this to if your parents lied to you about your past and tried to lock you in without explenation...

I really like anime too and it is good to see that other people like it to!. I have always been a fan of the big eyes and how they somehow strangly enhance the characters.

if you can't say someting nice at all shut your damn mouth up! -- Kimberly ann

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It doesn't matter if you don't like how they are making movies seem more 3D, it's not like you or Walt Disney can do anything about it, since he's dead and you don't own disney inc. So get over it!

Jack Sparrow: Look!*shoots monkey* Undead monkey! Top that!

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I DON'T OWN DISNEY INC.?!?! Why did you lie to me mom and dad?! WHY?!

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Well, Pixar will become the Disney King, so it's a moot point.

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She was, but then she was a child, and most children are rather selfish. ;)

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true Melody might have be selfish but if you were in her position about your true hertaige wouldn't you try anything to learn who you really are and she redeem herself by getting the tirdent back to her grandfather who then defeated Morgana

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I probably would agree with all of these posts, Melody was a selfish, but I would also want to learn about my heritage if I were her, especiallt if my parents didn't tell me anything, I would take matters into my own hands.

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Well....much as Ariel once longed for a life above the sea, Melody dreams of a life below it. Is it so wrong to have dreams come true?!?!?

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Yes, she was selfish. And annoying.

But you have to give her this -- she's twelve. For the love of God, I was 12 two years ago, and while I wouldn't have trusted anyone over my parents, if I found out they'd lied to me for my whole life of 12 years, I would've been pretty damn pissed off, too.
At least Triton was straight with Ariel... for the most part, anyway.

So yeah, was Melody fricking annoying and bratty? Yes.
Did I want Morgana to bash her little head into an ice berg and end the movie right there? Yes.

But remember, this is Disney and all the main characters have their flaws. Woody had his jealousy thing, Simba was incredibly gullible, Mulan had her cross-dressing thing, Hercules was head-over-heels in love, Aladin was a liar, and Tarzan had daddy-issues.
But that's why I loved the Disney movies. It gave you something to identify with and in spite of the impossible happy-ever-after endings, it still showed you a glimpse of the darker side of human nature.

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both were...but ariel was more selfish and annoying. and thing is, after all the trouble they cost out of their own disobedience and naive curiosity, they got everything they wanted in the end. greeeaaat....

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Look at how Melody found that locket with her name in it and how her mom refused to tell her the full story. If Ariel would have told her the reason why she could not go into the sea then her daugther might have understood things better. Also one thing when Melody did find that locket she did have a good reason to want to go into the Sea. That reason is she has One Grandparent, and Six Aunts underwater who are all of her ken folk on her mom's side of the family.

I can say that I have heard of cases like that where for some reason a child is not able to ever see any member of one side of the family and are not told why then when they find a clue on how to find out things they want to find out and see those members of that side of the family. That is exactly what happened. Melody wanted to see her Grandfather and six Aunts on her mom's side of the family and where they lived at.

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...and Ariel WASN'T?
I like Melody better than Ariel, because Melody is an outcast. I'm an outcast.
I relate.
The end.

Melody is a better character, IMO. Ariel wanted to be on land- for WHAT reason, though? Just out of curiosity?
At least Melody HAD a reason for being interested in the sea. It was a part of her. That's more than Ariel can say.

You make me sick.

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If you compare Melody to Ariel, she was less selfish than her mother.

Ariel left the sea because she was in love, she was angry at her father, she was curious, and she wanted more in life than what the sea offered her. She kept wanting more. Yes, the main reason she became human was for love, but she also accepted Ursula's offer for these other selfish reasons.

Melody originally left for the sea solemnly because she wanted answers about the locket and her past. Her whole life she had been an outcast, lied to, had secrets kept from her, and never felt like she belonged. No one could or would offer her any answers, nor could they explain why she could talk to fish. After speaking to Morgana, she was given the answers she sought, and offered an opportunity she had dreamed of all her life. She wanted the freedom and simplicity of the ocean, where she felt more at home, away from all the troubles and isolation she got on land, unlike her mother who wanted the more worldly and advanced things that life on land offered. And don't forget, this was also after she had discovered that her parents had been lying to her and isolating her her whole life. Her experience as a mermaid was brief, but it seemed like the happiest she had been her entire life. I know she chose to remain human at the end, but I think that's because she wanted to stay with her parents, but that she'll become a mermaid again once she grows up.

I'm not saying that Melody wasn't being selfish with her decisions, but looking at this, who had been more selfish, Ariel for becoming human, or Melody for becoming a mermaid. Melody's reasons were more numerous and more understandable than her mother's, so you can't put her down for her decision while glorifying Ariel for hers.

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Actually, I wouldn't call either of them selfish in their motives. Selfish would be, you know, actually wanting to hurt others (think Dr. Weil from Mega Man Zero, or if you want a non-villain example, Emperor Kuzco from The Emperor's New Groove or the Beast in Beauty and the Beast), and it's clear Ariel did not want that at all. Heck, even when undergoing the deal, it was pretty clear that Ariel had huge reluctance to undergo the deal, something that wouldn't happen with a selfish person (take Jafar basically wishing to become a Genie, he jumped at the opportunity when Aladdin tricked him). Heck, the only reason she even agreed to F&J taking her to Ursula was because they flicked the statue at her and they caught her in a very vulnerable time (remember, she was emotionally distraught due to Triton destroying her collection in what was obviously a temper tantrum. Not to mention she actually did attempt to refuse when F&J initially asked during this time. This makes it a bit obvious that, had it been any other time, she would have refused F&J.). And I'm doubtful that spell would have worked when she (almost) kissed Eric had it been selfish in nature (and it was pretty obvious that it would have worked because Ursula panicked and had Flotsam and Jetsam knock the boat over at the last second, and the conditions for the spell explicitly state that only the "kiss of true love" can make her permanently human. In other words, anything less than that, such as selfish love, would not work at all even if she did succeed in kissing Eric.). Now, were her actions reckless and naive, yes, they were. But they weren't selfish.

Melody, same reasons you stated.

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ursula told her that she has had to rake people across the coals after her deal. she knew her father would do anything to protect her. so she risked herself, and her father, and for what? for a human male she saw for five seconds? she was selfish in my opinion. at least melody believed morgana was good, Ariel knew ursula was bad and still made the deal.

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No, she's not. Do you honestly think a selfish person would risk her life to save her friend from a shark when she had the ability to get away, save a man she doesn't even know, or even save a crab from becoming someone's meal when she was still upset with him for squealing on her? No.

And BTW, true selfishness would be like how Dr. Weil behaved here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLRNaCkHXyA

Or how Kefka Palazzo behaved here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JwJq8VFEAcM

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Just because a person isnt selfish in all aspects doesnt mean they cant be selfish. i have read of serial killers saving peoples lives at times. Does that mean they are not killers still?

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Big difference, as you don't necessarily need to save someone to be a killer as you just need to kill to be a killer.

In this case, the definition of selfishness is someone who doesn't care at all about anyone except themselves and their own needs, perfectly willing to abandon their own friends for their own goals or to save their own skin, so no, Ariel is definitely not selfish at all. You want an example of a true selfish hero, look at Emperor Kuzco in the beginning of The Emperor's New Groove (where he has an old man thrown out the window of a high-story palace simply because he was unfortunate enough for him to be in the way while Kuzco was dancing, callously firing Yzma because she had to man the throne and even mocking her age, and basically not caring if his construction of Kuzcotopia actually would make Pacha's village homeless, and in fact it can even be viewed that Kuzco actually enjoyed the prospect of making the villagers homeless in order to have his luxury summer retreat for his own selfish purposes, meaning he was arguably a sociopath as well). Ariel would need to reach his level before she can qualify as selfish, and keep in mind, that's the kid friendly level. I could easily cite Francis Wilkerson from Malcolm in the Middle. That would be how Ariel would have to behave at WORST to be selfish.

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