Like The Swimmer


The beginning and end of this movie reminded me of the 1968 film adaptation of Carver's The Swimmer with Burt Lancaster. It was so violent without being violent, languid yet filled with tension, I just knew we were in for a story about people with no hope of change. I loved it. In fact, I often try to accomplish this with my own writing: a kind of social commentary from a detached view point depicting upper-middle-class malaise. It isn't always appreciated or understood, though. Glad to see one example that is well-made.

This also, in some ways, reminds me of Lost in Translation. Some people hate it, some love it.

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Good analogy.




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Thanks for the feedback! (I just received...)

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No worries, The Swimmer is one of my favorite films of all time, such an overlooked gem.
And I truly enjoyed La Ciénaga.

For a modern film dealing with a similar subject I suggest you try to find OLD JOY, fantastic american indy that deals with the disillusionment of middle class America.
And of course the magnificent Five Easy Pieces.



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Great suggestions! Thank you!! I've never seen either of those films. I'm going to check them out.

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Sure, Leonard. Hope to hear what you thought about those films in a couple of years, 2017 perhaps,,,







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LOL. Deal.

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Yes, also reminded me of the Swimmer, which is like a psychological horror film. This film, as well, had elements of psychological horror, especially when the camera, from a distance, fixes on the little boy after the ladder incident.
But, the pools! Yup: La Ciénaga is like The Swimmer meets Chekhov's fetid swimming pool & Antonioni's sense of amorphous, omnipresent doom.
There's so few posts on this board about this great film. IMO, La Ciénaga is a deep, original & significant film & I'd like to see more of this director's works.

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The Swimmer was based on a brilliant short story by John Cheever not Raymond Carver. A sort of understandable mistake (both outstanding writers who taught & drank together
at Iowa). The movie was a piece of crap Hollywood vanity production for an over-aged beefcake Burt Lancaster. Don't see any resemblance here.

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You are so right! Thanks for the correction. That's been up on this board giving out misinformation for years!


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Thanks for the analogy. It has been years since I have seen "The Swimmer," a film which really fascinated me resulting in my watching it several times with new insights on each occasion. It was rather pleasantly comic--such as the "I kissed that safety pin" remark--but slowly metamorphosed into a sleazy, uncomfortable tragic saga of a man who has been putting on a show which soon decays into unsavory reality. The nasty pool in which he finally dunks his wounded body symbolizes the sickness of his existence. So it is with "La Ciénaga"--the slow revelation of the unhealthy truth about the families. Of course the latter film is much more complex and certainly gets down and dirty rather soon into the plot. The element of racism struck me as very authentic. The scene where poor Lucho, the most likeable of all the characters, falls to his death is gut wrenching and shocking.

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maenad-3....thank you. What a thoughtful post. It's been a long time since I've read the short story or seen either of the films (La Ciénaga/The Swimmer), but now I may have to revisit. When I did read The Swimmer, our class discussed how the pools were symbolic of a man trying to recover from his addiction (alcoholism, in this case). I suppose the ailments could include class, racism, and an empty consumerism as well.

I do remember the same feeling of despair in La Ciénaga, particularly the disregard they had for one another.

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