Why did Sid where a shirt with a Nazi symbol? Didn't quite understand that.
shareHes pretty famous for that shirt, and i think he wears it because they think its funny to shock people, not because he supports Nazis or whatever.
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they were growing up with a generation whoese response to every challenge of the staus quo was 'i fought in a war for you ! '
the nazi symbol was a way of saying , 'nah ya really didnt'
Yeah, S'all it was really
Just part of the provocateur/anti-establishment image
Absolutely NOTHING to do with endorsing nazi-ism
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they were growing up with a generation whoese response to every challenge of the staus quo was 'i fought in a war for you ! '
the nazi symbol was a way of saying , 'nah ya really didnt'
by - crazed_king on Mon Nov 19 2007 21:57:17
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Exactly.
And what did the victor's generation do with Britain? Garbage piled sky high, urban blight, joblessness, riots, and a defeated working class.
...how do you miss the point of the swastika if you watched the movie? It's intercut with banal TV entertainment designed to make the establishment population into something benign, shapeless and impotent; too cowed and dull to rebel; and to redirect the energy of anyone energetic and angry to attacking approved scapegoats...
The Sex Pistols were a war on complacency and lame government.
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check out the bonus stuff on the dvd -- there is a short interview documentary & part of it is called "shock" where the swastika is discussed...
shareHa, I figured someone would get their panties in a bunch over that. Folks act like the Nazis were the only evil bunch (Hollywood believes that, for sure). Ha-ha-ha, give us a break. Get over it.
shareThe swastika isn't specifically a Nazi symbol as it has been around for centuries. The red swastika t-shirt Sid wore a lot was designed by Malcolm McLaren who's part-Jewish and was Sex Pistols' manager.
shareYeah. Majority forgets about the damn communists. They simply took over the Nazi infra structure, their lists and stuff and just did with them about the same *beep* minus the concentration camps. They did about as much damage as the nazis, just differently. I'm not political, but I can't stand the fact that most people seem to ignore that. Communism can say thanks to the nazis for that.
"D-E-S-T-R-O-Y : E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G"
Yes, people forget Stalin and what an evil twisted £$"^*%^ he was. I was surfing the net and I came across a Stalin appreciation society! I thought it was some kind of joke but sadly it was for real. Heaven help us if people can look fondly on his deeds.
sharePeople also forget what an evil, twisted system capitalism can be. When I read your comment I thought that people who talk against social systems they have never experienced, but at the same time have nothing to say about social systems they do experience daily, share the same mentality with the people that supported the Nazis and communism.
shareDon't be a jerk. The original poster was asking a legitimate question because he/she didn't understand, not getting "panties in a bunch." Grow up.
shareIt's pretty horrific (and yea I'm aware of the atrocities under Joseph Stalin), but they were rebelling against a crippling British system, not looking to persecute innocent ppl or take anyone's freedoms away.
shareSid also had a shirt with a hammer and sickle on it. The punks back then didn't care about politics, they were against everything and were a rebellion against the previous hippie era. The punks clothes back in those days were for shock value.
shareNo, Sid didn't have a shirt with a hammer and sickle on it. Except in the movie Sid & Nancy, where the fictionalized Sid wore a hammer-and-sickle shirt instead of the swastika shirt. Why, no idea...I guess Alex Cox was too much of a pansy to put a giant swastika on his "hero."
shareMany English punks of the late 1970s were very political, especially The Clash. This was the time of Rock Against Racism to combat the National Front, a racist political party that was gaining support in the UK.
shareRock Against Racism was great, and I support anything that demonizes the National Front...
...but the Clash's politics were very naive, and weren't actually their "own" thoughts at all but rather what their record company and handlers coerced them into thinking.
Vince White, who was in the Clash, talks about all this in his book from a few years ago titled "Out of Control". He details how the Clash were basically a bunch of naive semi-intellectual do-gooders, who were indeed trying to do good and were able to recognize some obvious injustices in the world. But before long the manipulators in the industry got control of them and started guiding them through a trendy, marketable process of having them become "the politically conscious punk band".
I'm not saying they were completely wrong, but they were definitely used, and ended up using their brains and critical thinking skills only selectively. White looks back on the sorts of movements and some of the murdering "freedom fighters" the Clash ended up supporting, all in the name of sticking it to The Man, and he shakes his head. Even at the time, he says, they knew something was "off" with some of what they were being pushed into supporting.
As far as the Sex Pistols and the Swastika, it's really the most disheartening point of this movie for me. The shock value is so cheap. And it's so predictable for Hollywood to substitute the hammer and sickle in for the Sid and Nancy movie. Johnny Rotten would have NEVER have let Sid Vicious wear something as boring as a communist symbol. He at least would have looked out for his friend that much. Wearing such a thing would have actually attracted the support of some English society intellectuals! The Sex Pistols did NOT want that!
there is a scHOOL Of thought that lends credence to the claim that the reason the SP's donned the Nazi Symbol was to put it to pre-WWII Britain that you screwed up and let these guys attack Great Britain. The SP's assault on the British Cabinet whose shuuters were open to Adolph?
sharesid wore what Malcolm told him to wear.
buncha kids who do and say whatever Malcolm said.
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Here's a chapter in the lexicology books:
If you were to look up the etymology of the word 'swastika' it was taken from Sanskrit.
Sanskrit svastika , < svastí well-being, fortune, luck, < sú good + astí being ( < as to be).
The Nazi's adopted the symbol and henceforth it has been degenerated into a negative symbol.
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