The Language Craze


Children's programming has just started holding my 7-month old daughter's attention, so we're watching a lot of Nick Jr. lately.

They're awfully proud of their programming being aimed at preschoolers - since they claim it about 3 or 4 times during each break (though I love how the shows are commercial free!).

The other night, we had the television on as background noise from 6-9pm and Nick Jr. aired THREE programs geared toward teaching preschoolers a foreign language. During a break, the narrator urged us to visit their website to play fun games and educational tools, and to brush up on their "spanish." During another break, a voice-over parent brags about how their child is "counting EVERYTHING....in Spanish!"

Is this really necessary for a preschool curriculum? I remember preschool fairly well - ABC, 123, shapes, please and thank you, days of the weeks, months of the year, etc. You know, valuable, basic information we needed for that head-start into Kindergarten. No one ever expected us to know "Como se dice" or "vamanos." (or Ni-Hao, to be fair to that Kai-Lan show)

I don't expect my daughter to have ANY exposure to foreign language in preschool, and not only does Nick Jr. imply that I should, (they should know, they have three shows about it!) but PARENTS are also acting like this is some sort of non-negotiable requirement. I can't even begin to count the number of parents who have bragged to me about their child's spanish skills.

And I realize that a lot of people don't think that it "hurts." Whether its spanish, chinese or pig-latin, at least they're excited about learning, right? Yes, that's partly true. All new information is valuable. There's no harm in your child learning bits and pieces of a foreign language along the way. But I once met a child of about 3 or 4 who could rattle off every spanish color - just shout one out, and he'd reply with the spanish translation. Impressive, right?!

Not when you actually showed him a color. He couldn't tell you that the apple was red, or the banana was yellow. There was no recognition at all, but darn it all if his mother bragged about his "genius" that he knew them in spanish.

I am not suggesting that children should never ever be exposed to different languages. I just don't think that preschool is the appropriate age. During the breaks on Nick Jr., they regularly play puzzle games like, "How many R's can you see in this picture?" They show you what a "Big R" is, and show you a "Little R," then the game begins. This is the point where the core audience is at. They're just barely learning what letters look like. They're pretty well off if they can count to twenty. Is it really fair to the child to consider foreign language vocabulary in the same category of "need to know info?"

Its as if foreign language is some sort of a craze right now. Nearly all of my daughter's electronic toys yell out spanish and french words at her (and they are age-appropriate!). I'm just not concerned with it. Right now I am concerned with her being able to stand without falling over. I hope she crawls soon without her tummy dragging the floor. I hope she says, "Mama."

And when she's in preschool, I am only going to hope for the basics. I'm more concerned with her learning to read, count, and write with a pencil than I am hoping for her to know more foreign vocabulary than anyone in her class.

Once she knows how to read, write, and count proficiently, then by all means, she can learn something extra on the side. Like I said, it doesn't "hurt." But I'm really concerned about parents who concern themselves with how much foreign language their child knows when they apparently forgot that in the classroom, Johnny still can't read.

reply

It's not just a craze/fad, it's indoctrination.

Notice how (with apologies to Kai-Lan, the only exception I've ever seen on TV or toys) everything is SPANISH. Why? Because we should be accomodating Mexicans in the United States. It's not about "learning another language", it's about learning Spanish, period.

If they were really interested in promoting "learning OTHER languages", per se, they'd show various languages. We'd get some French (seriously, what toy did you see that had French?), Chinese, Japanese, German, Hindi. Heck, let's even go for other ethnic groups prominent in my area - Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Nigerian language. Are we hearing any of that in commercial products? Nope.

It's not about "language"; it's about culture desensitization, because we have to accomodate those who don't want to speak English, as the other groups have.

reply

Her toy is a V-tech "cell" phone. At least I think its supposed to be a cell phone...the sound effects that come along with it have land-line features!

Anyway, it's constantly saying, "Goodbye! Adios! Au Revoir!" and "Hello! Hola! Bonjour!" So yeah, it has spanish capabilities but it doesn't ignore the french either!

My mother bought her a Baby Einstein DVD about the face. It has translations as well, and french is one of them.

But to be fair, those two are the only examples of french I can give you!

Also, that show, "Toot and Puddle," constantly talk about how you say "this" in Dutch or "that" in German.

So I am wondering, how many languages is my kid supposed to be learning? English, spanish, french, dutch, chinese, german....what the heck am I preparing her for? To be POPE???

I don't think that English is "better" than another language or that being bilingual or multilingual is necessarily a "bad" thing.

But the fact of the matter is that in the US, we're not exactly in a position to learn other languages out of necessity. I am going to steal from Bill Cosby here, and old routine he did about people in the US feeling "bad" about not knowing any other languages when people in Europe know at least one.

Bill said (paraphrasing), "Don't feel bad! You can get in the car in Europe and DRIVE into another language! You can get in the car in the US and drive for DAYS and not hit another language!"

It's so true. European countries are the same size as one of our states! So I understand how they would need or want to learn another language out of necessity.

Our situation is nothing like this. It doesn't make us "dumb" or "uncultured." We're just localized, that's all. Its not like you want to pop over to Disney World on vacation and have to learn Florida's national language of Tongues, or at least enough to get around while you're there.

But Spanish is my THING! I took every class in high school and college - I absolutely loved it. And it helped me with my English too, when learning what "subjunctive" meant. Heck, it was spanish class where I learned that the proper grammar in English was, "If I WERE" instead of "If I was."

So there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. I just don't think its appropriate for a preschool curriculum. Are they teaching spanish words in preschool now? Or is this mostly a media thing?



reply

"Are they teaching spanish words in preschool now? Or is this mostly a media thing?"

In MY area they are. My boy is 2yo and I'm just looking for day care (for his enjoyment), and "pre-schools" (a joke anyway) often proudly advertize that they teach SPANISH (i.e., it's just part of their day, not a choice). None of them teach any other language, despite the fact we have many Koreans and Vietnamese here in large communities.

As I said, it is not about language - it's about accomodating Spanish-speakers (most specifically, Mexican illegals - note we've had MANY Spanish-language groups here for years, but only since this illegal thing has gotten ludicrous has this happened).

I'm all for another language for broadening brain horizons, but it's obvious to me there is an agenda here. I learned German in high school, and I love having that experience, along with the strengthening of English as a result (being a Germanic language; but never mind my teacher mother always pushed proper grammar). But back then it was a choice - not indoctrination. Even though Spanish was most popular along with French in HS, it wasn't to accomodate any Spanish group.

reply

I'm sorry, it has been months since your reply.

But there has been an update in the situation. My daughter is almost 17 months old now. She's walking, running, eating with utensils...and talking (a little). Mama, dada, ba-ba, bye, hi, cat, ball, cracker, hot, and quack.

Against my better judgement, I have been letting her watch Dora a little. And I mean a *little.* If nothing else that suits her is on TV, and I need to do a quick chore and need a little something to keep her attention, we'll turn on Dora. It holds her attention - she'll sit quietly in her chair and she'll watch it (then I can run off and throw the clothes in the dryer). She never knows I left the room for a second.

Anyway, Dora said something about a bubble...and my daughter repeated it! I was so proud! We get to add "bubble" to her word list! Yay!

Later, the the same episode, Dora was screaming something about "para" or "parre." I can't tell what she's saying sometimes because her accent is spot-on.

Anyway, Dora was yelling whatever word that was, and my daughter repeated it. I was FURIOUS! What good is "para" going to do for us? Even the English translation doesn't have a place in our vocabulary *as of right now.*

Over Thanksgiving, my brother called me racist because I asked my mother to turn off Dora and switch to something else, and I explained why. He was accusing me of all sorts of silly stuff like not teaching her to accept other cultures and things like that. I kept telling him it has NOTHING to do with culture, where Dora comes from, what language is being spoken, etc. It has everything to do with the fact that I have a little baby who is just learning to talk and understand US. What good does "para" do when we don't use it at home? She's learned to say it (doesn't know what it means), and now she's going to lose it. I want her to learn words that we can help her master, show her what they are, etc.

On a similar note, she was babbling about a month ago and what came out, I swear, was "cappuccino." She said it all by herself, just playing with a doll. She didn't know she'd actually said a word. I just laughed and let it go. Still, though, I *could* take her into the kitchen, show her a coffee can, and show her that's what 'cappuccino' is. I can make a cup, sip it, and say, "Mmm! Cappuccino!"

But I didn't, because 'cappuccino' has no place in our home. Its not part of our daily routine.

So my brother asks me if I want to get her, "Your Baby Can Read" for Christmas. Hell to the NO! And its for the same reason. She's just a baby! She's not SUPPOSED to be able to read! He tried to explain to me that babies are like sponges and can learn so easily and blah blah blah (he doesn't have children). I told him that "sponge" quality should be used to learn things like "taking playing cards out of a box, and putting them back in." I said this, because that's exactly what my daughter was doing at the moment. Just typical baby stuff. He tried to argue that "she's going to have to learn it anyway...give her a head start..."

I said, "Yeah, and she's going to have to learn Physics too at some point. Why don't we go out and buy the 'Your Baby Knows the Formula for Gravity' kit? Why don't we make a million dollars off of a 'Your Baby Can Do Brain Surgery!' video?"

But I'm not convinced that this whole thing is about indoctrination. I really do think that everyone wants their little 'baby genius' to brag about. I think people feel like dummies to know that, "in Europe, everyone knows two languages...or more!" I think people leap to the conclusion that, "If my baby can speak a foreign language, he's automatically smart."

But as for Spanish being the main focus...I think it pretty much just has to do with dumb 'ol Dora. These kids are probably going to take Spanish in high school, so Dora fits in nicely as a primer. A lot of the schoolkids are going to have friends who speak Spanish, another bonus. Most of all, you can watch Dora on TV, get Dora videos, watch Diego, get Diego DVDs, toys that yelp all that stuff at them...its just a vicious cycle. We like Spanish because that's all we've got. That's all we've got because we like Spanish.

But I bet that if Mandarin Chinese is taught in high school...watch Kai-Lan EXPLODE. Now we like Chinese because that's all we've got. That's all we've got, because we like Chinese.

reply

There are schools in other countries who have students still 8, yet they speak about 2 or 3 languages (including their mother tongue). I'm thinkin' that Nick Jr. is trying to get on the ball to help little kids to start learning other languages to attempt to join the "fluent country" list.
I mean, in America a foreign language is not really something that's seen as important. Well... I say that loosely, I guess, because in my opinion, language is quite important and everyone should try to know at *least* one other besides English. (I'm in my third year of German, and starting August '11, I'm going to start my fourth).

Anyways...
I think Spanish is being pushed extra-hard because Spanish is becomming a common language in America now. In the future, it'll (I think) be almost required for people to be fluent in both English and Spanish. If the little kids are exposed to Dora, watching an entertaining cartoon and slowly learning some Spanish, then it'll be better for them.

reply

The reason to teach ~3 year olds other languages is that it's so easy to learn them at that point.

Do preschools teach other languages? Well, yes, there are fairly trendy preschools that do language immersion. Of course, the trendy ones are Mandarin and French, not Spanish.

reply

[deleted]

Maybe if his mother would interact with him rather than sit him in front of the television all day he would know that an apple was red and a banana was yellow.

And the fact that you're "watching a lot of television" with your "seven month old daughter" is disturbing. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends NO television until age 2 and only an hour after age 2.

reply

Little good it will probably do to reply 4 years after OP made the thread and is probably long gone, but... I've read all your posts and I really am not understanding why you are so opposed to this. Your main issue seems to be the age at which the child is being exposed? Kids don't have a limited capacity for knowledge, they won't learn X amount of words and not be able to learn more after that point. I don't see the disadvantage of giving them the exposure. Kids are very receptive to learning new things at a young age, and foreign languages will use a different word order and ways to express the same thoughts as we do in English. At least having that cursory exposure will (possibly) allow them to better understand the material later in life when they actually do want to start learning it. At least they can say "oh yeah, I sort of remember that, it makes sense" rather than it being completely alien to them and having to struggle to accept it. I don't think there's any danger in your daughter knowing the word para/parre/whatever even if there's no immediate need to use it. It'll just be filed somewhere in her passive vocabulary and maybe someday she'll have an easier time recognizing that word, or word family. We should be encouraging people (of all ages) to learn many languages, not trying to restrict them. What is the purpose of that?

So my brother asks me if I want to get her, "Your Baby Can Read" for Christmas. Hell to the NO! And its for the same reason. She's just a baby! She's not SUPPOSED to be able to read!

Also the fact you believe this and don't want your daughter reading is a very sad sign.
.

reply