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Okay. That was... spoilers

posted 19 years ago by blacklives4ever
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SCARY!! I was biting my fingernails the entire time. I fastforwarded the part at the end where Sadako is coming after that reporter and the other girl and her body was making those cracking noises. I mean, that was gross! I really liked it, though.... I mean, it was scary because I'm home alone and it's spooky outside (I live in Washington state, close to where they filmed The Ring, so just imagine that weather and that's what I'm surrounded by).

Anyway.... about the evil Sadako, was she a part of the good Sadako? Because it seems like she is and she isn't, like that part when they develop the pictures and Sadako is covering her eyes with the other one right behind her, but faded. Explain this to me, please?

And I think the reporter was evil, and she shouldn't have committed suicide. She should have let Sadako get her. grr.... Anyway, I finally watched this after like a year of buying it and never watching it.... *proud* but I think it was scarier than more drama ish. Well, that's just me, but still.

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[–] asakawa_k 19 years ago

hi there! finally watched it eh? i'm glad you enjoyed it.
i agree that it's pretty scary at the end. which is cool because it's only scary because you've had this whole drama film to get you feeling for the characters before the scares happen. toyama's moment at the end is really cool because you've got to like him throughout the film.

basically the 2 sadako's split when she was very little and dr ikuma did everything he could to give the good sadako a real life. he also did everything he could to keep them apart knowing that the evil sadako would do anything she could to be whole again, regain all her powers and get revenge. he drugged the evil sadako to stunt her growth, mental and physical.
of course they never did split fully. good sadako has been haunted throughout her life by evil sadako. did she predict the death of her school-mates in the sea or did she cause it?! etc.
i think that it's a bit of a sexual awakening thing too. eveil sadako really stepped up the haunting bit as good sadako started to gain an inkling of confidence and fall in love with toyama.

i don't think the reporter was 'evil'. the whole story was told from sadako's point of view but remember, the reporter was investigating a huge number of deaths. if it had been told from her POV she'd be the hero of the tale. even the members of the troupe were just scared and lashed out at the only thing they could... though i'd say they're pretty evil.

good film though eh?
i didn't like it the first time i saw it but after a couple of viewings i really prefer it to ring2. it's just a shame it doesn't have the visual flair of a nakata film.

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[–] blacklives4ever 19 years ago

Well, from my POV.... I didn't much like the reporter, going on and taking pictures while noticing Sadako's discomfort and not making the photographer stop.

ABout the medication that was given to evil Sadako, how could he get it to her and not the good Sadako, since they are pretty much in the same body?

Yeah.... I really did like it more than Ring2 but I think that's the only time I could watch it because I had to change some sort of settings on my computer and this popup said I could only change it a couple of times, and when I changed it back to the normal settings, it said I couldn't change it anymore. Which is weird, because it worked fine with Ring2.

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[–] asakawa_k 19 years ago

yeah, i see what you mean about the reporter. i guess she thought she was doing a story about this evil girl who pretended to be nice not realising there was effectively two of her.

you've really got to suspend your disbelief for the 2 sadako's bit. the idea is that they literally split into 2 seperate bodies.

i guess your dvd-rom drive is single region. is your ring0 dvd a different region to most of your other dvds? i'm pretty sure there's ways round the region problem though.

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[–] blacklives4ever 19 years ago

you've really got to suspend your disbelief for the 2 sadako's bit. the idea is that they literally split into 2 seperate bodies.

okay. Gotcha. I guess I think too logically.

i guess your dvd-rom drive is single region. is your ring0 dvd a different region to most of your other dvds? i'm pretty sure there's ways round the region problem though.

I'll ask my brother, the Harvard attending computer whiz.

Thanks!

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[–] blacklives4ever 19 years ago

oh - if you're still, there, I have one more question.

Did Sadako kill Toyama? I had the impression that she did, since he screamed and all.... but why would she do that? He was the one nice guy. Or was it that once the evilness had taken over, she couldn't discern who was who?

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[–] shatteredbluedreams 19 years ago

I think that once evil Sadako reunited physically with good Sadako (as represented in the images in Sadako's eye, just before Toyama dies), she could still discern who was who, but wanted to kill Toyama anyway. Since she was dominated by her evil side, or whatever.

[–] asakawa_k 19 years ago

aye, it's a strange one eh?
i think that good sadako was killed by the rest of the troupe and that was the end of her (almost). the lack of good sadako's 'spirit' in sadako's body allowed evil sadako in. then she had a full grown body and more super-evil powers to go on a vengeful rampage.
'course the sad bit is, in the well, evil sadako allows good sadako back to see the awful position she's been left in - as we see in the final shot.

this is all kinda conjecture i suppose, but that's the way i saw it.

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[–] jmbwithcats 19 years ago

Asakawa knows how much I love RING 0. I even won third place in a Sadako art contest last year, and have poetry tributed to Sadako on my website!

In a sense the film in my opinion is sort of a Shakespeare tragedy up until the last 15 minutes or so when things really go into tilt full overdrive. Uncanny those last 15 minutes. Yukie Nakama is just riveting there. I'm still upset she never got any recognition for her role as Sadako, where Daveigh won awards for Samara, a role that was 1/1000th the difficulty of Sadako's.

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[–] shatteredbluedreams 19 years ago

Yes! I think this movie is a tragedy too, like Romeo and Juliet or something. If I had to describe it to someone, I would not say horror movie, I would say tragedy.
Was just thinking that the other day.
And the bit just before the play starts, where Sadako turns to Toyama and puts her hand on the glass as an instrumental piano verion of the end song swells, proves the point, as well as being just about the best moment I've ever seen in a movie.

However, I am not upset that Yukie Nakama received no award recognition for her performance because I think that giving awards for art is a ridiculous/demeaning thing for both the artists and fans of their work.
I am a bit upset that movies like Ring 0 drown in anonymity while garbage like American Beauty, the Cider House Rules, Cold Mountain and Mystic River seem to be so damn accepted. But that's the story of the human race, everyone is a stupid liar.

Sweet!

[–] jmbwithcats 19 years ago

The fact is if Yukie did get the recognition I am positive she deserved, the art world would stand up and take more notice, that is simply how the world works. Awards stand out on a resume, and will be remembered in the future, 10 years 20 years, 50 years from now. Yukie Nakama's recognition would help not hinder in the long run, and that's what matters here, the long run.

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[–] axj45 19 years ago

This is the first time I have ever posted on this site but I felt the need to post this comment because this is ABSOLUTELY THE WORST FILM I HAVE EVER SEEN!!! So this girl decides to become an actress and because she shuffles around and keeps her head down people decide they want to kill her? Sodaka and Toyama fall in love for what reason? All I could think was how nice it would be if life was actually like that? There was absolutely no basis for the characters response to Sodaka. Anyway, I have to say that this movie should be classified as a comedy because me and the four other people I was watching this with were all laughing uncontrolably throughout this film.

[–] shatteredbluedreams 19 years ago

No-one decided to kill Sadako (sa-da-koh) because she was shy, shuffling around with her head down. They were suspicious of Sadako after the part she was understudying for became hers following the mysterious death of the star actress of the play.
Then, during the performance of the play before an audience, the dead body of the director is discovered behind a screen.
Then, when Etsuko (the bob-haired girl who is the seamstress for the theatre group) plays the tape with the screeching noises, Sadako clutches her head, the theatre shakes and everyone is freaked.
Then, when the doctor dude tries to calm Sadako down, Sadako sees a vision of the murdered theatre group director where the doctor stands, screams, and the doctor clutches his heart and falls down dead on the candle display. This freaks everyone out including Sadako and the theatre group then decide enough is enough and it is time to kill the seemingly psychic and deadly Sadako.
Also, all of the group have been having dreams of the well at which Sadako is eventually killed, they are convinced they will die one by one if they don't kill Sadako.

I don't know if you and your four friends watched a copy without subtitles or you're all so stupid that you missed the subtext and supertext and just straight text of the film as you were watching it.

Sadako falls in love with Toyama why? Because he is handsome and kind and the only one who always has time for her. Remember, she is coming straight out of a childhood where she was an outcast and haunted by visions of death and dead people, not to mention memories of her class drowning when she was a young girl. Kind of like the little withdrawn boy in the Sixth Sense, if that helps you.
So of course she becomes fond of the first good-looking lifeline she ever comes across.
And why does Toyama fall in love with Sadako? Well, it seems that he's not quite as into it as Sadako is, maybe because he is so much older, maybe he has other reasons, but by the end of the movie he is prepared to die for her, so sure is he of his love for her. Aww, ain't it sweet? Anyway, she's a quiet, polite babe. Doesn't every guy love those doe eyes?

As far as classfying it as a comedy, this movie is one of the few I like that has pretty much zero comedy in it, none at all. Unless you thought it was awful.
But I didn't, and you did, and we all spin on.
Seriously, can't you see now that the movie makes sense, even if you didn't like it?
Bye!