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Audition is a very provocative brutal film with no message or reason.


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Ok. So this is a film about a girl who twists men to having sex with her and then cuts their legs,tongue,fingers puts them in a bag and make them live like moles. Oh, before that she causes extreme pain to them as well. Why ? Do they rape her ? Do they make a bad move on her? Do they treat her badly? No. They just try and build a healthy relationship with her and eventually have sex with her. I don't actually know if the previous movie producer did that but i perfectly know Aoyama did that. 1,30 hour of an old man trying to find a glimpse of hope in his unfortunate life and 20 minutes of unspeakable torture and brutality. I have nothing against brutality in films. I sort of enjoy brutality in films. But until a point. AND MOST OF ALL WITH A *beep* REASON. This was totally uncalled and deeply disturbing. I cannot call art or a fine film a movie that shows this amount of violence for no reason at all. I know we live in a brutal brutal world but brutal films must have a message to say at the end. The message of "don't try to bang wannabe actresses without promising them a role but just trying to build a relationship with them because excruciating pain awaits you" is stupid. And provocative. Pure provocation without any particular reason.


I KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTOR HAS SAID! YOU KNOW WHAT? I don't care about the director saying that the torture scene is a dream and giving a psychoanalytic charm to the movie. There were signs of this not being a dream all along :

*the girl sitting next to the bag waiting for the telephone in the beggining
*Mr. shimada
*the murder in the bar with the extra organs
*this girl not having anything at all NOT suspicious in her life
*the girl not trying to get the part and just trying to lure someone of the two producers with her silly sexy (for the japanese) way of talking and interracting with people

A guilt complex in a dream cannot be the correct explanation with so many things pointing out the torture did happen in real life.

All i am saying is brutality is an extreme way of making a point of so many things. Why waste it on pleasing the sadists and the mazochists of this world.

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She was a bit crazy in the head... But in the end the man lied to her and all the other girls he auditioned if you were paying attention. He said there would be a role for something and had girls audition for the role when really his partner and him were looking for another woman for him. He ended up sleeping with all (or quite a bit of the girls I don't remember haven't seen it in a while) for his own sake. No he didn't rape them but he did lie to them and in a way did take advantage of them. He did the same to the girl and she obviously didn't like it. She didn't like being lied to (both in the fact it wasn't a role for what she thought she was auditioning for and when he did say she was the only one he would love) so to her he deserved the torture she gave to him

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1st there was going to be a movie. That was the purpose.

2ndly and most importnat where did you see that "He ended up sleeping with all" ? Are you referring to the dream sequence he was thinking the maid and afterwards his son's GF were blowing him ?


Conclusion : i understand you are saying that she was dissapointed from him because since there was no movie after all he clearly made the audition only to *beep* her. Then don't *beep* invite him for sex at the hotel. Leave dissapointed.

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I was referring to the scene where if I remember correctly (might have been during the final torture scene) where she said something along the lines of, "you did it and slept with all those women" basically referring to the fact he (and his co-worker) made the audition to find him another woman.

And shes a sociopath. Shes crazy bat**** insane obviously to be a cute girl like that in public then something doesnt go her way and she painfully, brutally, and violently tortures and kills someone.

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I think you missed my point.

And we do not know if she is a sociopath for sure. Not all bad people are sociopaths.

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I did make a mistake with her saying he slept with other woman, just watched it and she said something along the lines of, "you just wanted to sleep with me" my mistake

And sure shes a sociopath what makes you think she couldnt be?

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All I know is this was very boring and I nearly fell asleep during it.

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"Ok. So this is a film about a girl who twists men to having sex with her and then cuts their legs,tongue,fingers puts them in a bag and make them live like moles."

and you entirely missed the point. Didn't need to read further, but I did anyway. Anyway, it's not about that. The theme is about what people want and need. In case of Shigeharu (lead guy) he wants somebody to love, because he's missing his dead wife and he feels lonely. In case of Asami, she is looking for a perfect man who will only be devoted to her. So, when she finds out that he "lied" (reason for audition), and that he loves someone else beside her (his son) she flips out and dish out her revenge because her fantasy of him being the perfect man is ruined. Of course, it didn't help that she was already sociopath.

" He ended up sleeping with all (or quite a bit of the girls I don't remember haven't seen it in a while) for his own sake."

Actually, no, he didn't sleep with other girls. For his friend I am not sure, but Shige didn't sleep with other girls because he was madly in love with Asami.


ps. and goddamn you Miike, why did the dog have to die? :( it was such a cute puppy.

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u forgot the story bud.

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I cannot but fully agree to this summary of the movie. My own story with this film starts with me seeing the original Ju-On movies for the first time, and I really enjoyed them, so I started looking out for more japanese horror movies and found Audition. Initially I only watched the first 40 minutes since I needed to go to sleep, but thus far I was really positively surprised! Instead of the typical Ringu-/Grudge-style japanese horror movie with a high horror value, I found (in the first 40 min) a horror movie with great story-telling and drama value. The characters were engaging and relatable, with well written down-to-earth dialogue, and the atmosphere a bit gloomy and mysterious, just the way I like it. A couple of days later I saw the rest of the movie. And W T F happened?! Suddenly, in the middle of the suspense, this long, weird dream sequence starts that makes you lose the thread of what's happened - and I'm not even gonna comment any more on that sequence because it bores me too much -, and this dream sequence is ensued by a lengthy, disgusting, boring torture scene.. Now why was this torture scene boring? I think for the very reasons you've stated above. It's just completely uncalled for, and seems to have no real point to it, other than to make the viewers vomit. Now I for one DON'T like a lot of torture and brutality in movies, I prefer suspense and more subtle horror. Nevertheless, sometimes it can be purposeful for the movie, so to speak. But if you're gonna have a long torture scene - and KILL OFF A PUPPY to add to the cheapness - you better have a REAL good reason! The moral of this story, which seems to be that you shouldn't use women for sex, is so weak that it must have been a secondary priority to the director, after the primary one of disgusting and disturbing the audience. I see comments from people trying to defend the movie, and they're usually basically that "she's a sociopath". Maybe that's the best excuse there is to this ending..
Now to summarize, what I felt (and still feel, I saw it yesterday) after having seen this movie was disappointment, the feeling of being let down. But as much as I liked the first 40 minutes I am willing to give them that credit. I call this a well made movie gone bad - there are several more examples, more or less extreme (not always appropriately comparable), two of which I can think of: "Children of the Corn" -> starts out pretty creepy, with a creepy theme, and completely derails in the end; "Frantic" by Polanski, starts out great and mysterious, perhaps better than most other movies I've seen, just goes too far in the end, kind of blows out of proportions. I could liken this film to them to some extent. I don't hate them, I hardly even dislike them, I just acknowledge and accept the fact that the ending just wasn't very good and that they could have done a lot more with what they had to start with.

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Thank you dear stranger for totally agreeing with me and feeling exactly the way i felt! t took me at about 10 days to get back on track. I hope you recover quicker!

Cheers!

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Huh? This isn't a film with a message or one that has a "moral to the story", it's in actuality a story about a disturbed young woman who grew increasingly sadistic due to her abusive childhood. She was planning to kill him the whole time, just as she did with the bar patron and the record label executive who went missing

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It´s a movie you know, it doesn´t need to have a positive message. Some movies can be visceral, sadistic and even artistic all together. Audition is an ugly masterpiece, brilliantly I would risk.

Takashi Miike want to show us that the society is horrible. The guy on the movie had a good heart, he just wanted to find a new wife, but the girl thought that he was just like "the other man", wishing to have sex and then leave. The girl is an angel maniac, with an rooted past, willing for violence and vengeance.

Audition is a thriller, turning light into darkness to shock us. And it´s perfect in his objective.

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That guy did not have a good heart, the whole point of his character is that he's misogynistic. He says he wants a strong-willed woman, but time and time again proves that he wants women he can attempt to dominate, which is completely sexist. He lured many women to an audition under false pretenses (it does't matter whether or not the movie was going to be made, the women were still there for the main purpose of choosing a wife), and he sat by while his friend asked these women completely inappropriate questions about their sex life, making one woman even take her shirt off. He wanted to "choose" which woman to marry, which is completely sexist and once again proves that he wants to exercise his "male dominance" over women.

I love Audition, it's one of my favorite films, but the main character is not likable, and is just like "the other man", which is what I think is so genius about this film, because it actually makes you think about whether or not you're actually rooting for the protagonist. Asami was right about him, he was manipulative and controlling and sexist, and really only valued her physical beauty because, while he did know stuff about her, he didn't know nearly enough to marry her. While I'm not saying he deserved to be tortured, he does not deserve anything close to happiness.

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I disagree about the main character.

He wasn't feeling comfortable in the audition and he already had Asami in his mind. You could say he was cooperating in this deception, but his partner was the real douche.

She was the controlling one.
He never forced anything with Asami. She took the initiative for him to touch her, to have sex. He was always respectful, excited to be with her, but also scared.

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I'm not defending this disturbing movie by any means. I am not a fan.

But are brutal male serial killers, rapists or torturers that appear in so many films usually give a "reason" for their acts? No, they are just accepted to be violent sociopaths. Why should there be a message about or reason for her violent streak?

I mean, it's not like her character is redeemed at the end, she dies. So, we aren't meant to sympathize with her.

I just find it interesting that violent female characters must have a reason for doing what they do but with the hundreds of sadistic male characters in film, they are just accepted as being evil bastards. They aren't usually given any justification for the brutality they inflict on others and audiences usually do not demand it.

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I'm not defending this disturbing movie by any means. I am not a fan.

But are brutal male serial killers, rapists or torturers that appear in so many films usually give a "reason" for their acts? No, they are just accepted to be violent sociopaths. Why should there be a message about or reason for her violent streak?

I mean, it's not like her character is redeemed at the end, she dies. So, we aren't meant to sympathize with her.

I just find it interesting that violent female characters must have a reason for doing what they do but with the hundreds of sadistic male characters in film, they are just accepted as being evil bastards. They aren't usually given any justification for the brutality they inflict on others and audiences usually do not demand it.


^^This.

Many of you miss the point, when you say that Audition has no 'meaning'.

It's a new era of showing that women are also capable of being a danger in the dating scene, they may seem sweet on the outside, but you never know what they may turn out like.

So many films like this have been made with the male as the psycho/female as the victim. This shows the reverse, women are violent, men are the victims.

Just watch the documentary film Dear Zachary, and you'll see JUST what I mean.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152758/?ref_=sr_3

So, don't think that it's mere fiction. It happens more times than you may think in reality. Miike was saying alot and made a powerful social message.

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i understand what you are saying... this movie suffers from being too good for what it is. What I mean by that is that sometimes movies are shot so well, acted so well, the world that they create is so full and mesmerizing that when they finish their story you feel like there was something deeper than what it was.

The story of Audition is pretty simple and straightforward: some guy decides to trick a smoking hot, young, busty chick to suck his cock. On another hand we have this smoking hot, young, busty psychotic sadist that wants to poke and cut some dude that wants his dick sucked. So they meet and everyone gets what they wanted. THE END.

So the movie is actually shot and acted so well that you feel that you could have used that movie making genius to tell a moral story or whatnot but that is not what the director had in mind. He wanted to tell this story and it was pretty darn good.

Also you can find meaning in anything if you look hard enough. Over the "Serbian Movie" forums people find the newborn rape scene to be a "socio-political allegory of present day Serbia". So yea.

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This is a horror movie. Its only meant to be a horror movie. It's supposed to scare you here and there. Did it? Then that's the message.

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I agree with you. And that people react so strongly to this proves this movie conveyed the "horror message" quite well. Wanted to add that for me, horror movies have a message.

Halloween - Don't babysit on Halloween

Friday the 13th - Don't have sex when you're supposed to be watching physically/mentally deformed kids. I took away from it "Don't go camping (and I never have/will)"

Nightmare on Elm Street - Don't Sleep (I'm an insomniac)

Black Christmas - Don't join a sorority

Audition - Some people you just don't screw around with/ conversely, if the torture was a dream - Wash your conscience before you decide to project your fears onto other people and totally write them off.

Either way, this movie disturbed the ish outta me and I gagged several times, and I'm really glad I saw it during the day... What else, oh, it's on my very short list of horror films I will never watch again (joining The Exorcist and The Girl Next Door), which is the highest compliment I can give a horror film.

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I've never seen the film but just finished reading the book today. It sounds as though some aspects have been embellished, but in the book the reason for the actions of the Asami are made very clear - they are the result of childhood trauma at the hands of an abusive (if I recall correctly) stepfather, to whom the original punishment was meted out. This difficult upbringing resulted in Asami's need to be loved unconditionally and solely - when she finds out about the protagonist's son she feels betrayed and takes her revenge.

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She also had an abusive Aunty who forced her to do things like have ice cold baths in Winter.

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And don't forget the handsy piano teacher.

"To err is human...so...errrr..." - Gary King

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Really.. is there a reason for any horror/slasher/torture type movie??
NOOO

And right there is the point!! It's not meant to make you think or have a philological experience, it;s meant to scare, shock and stir up controversy just like your doing with this topic. And it has done it's job!

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