As an ex cutter, i just gotta say.. - Secret Cutting (2000) Discussion

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[–] babyk_3 18 years ago

I did find it sort of offensive, but it was more of a trigger for me than anything else, but I was forced to watch it in a class. the whole hour and a half, non stop. i couldn't deal. I was just pissed because of the way it was portrayed, and the way nearly every reaction was suggested to be in horror.

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[–] froggy_0202 18 years ago

I actually really liked this movie. Although, I too found it extremely triggering. It did however surprise me how quickly she was willing to move from cutting to burning. But it still does make sense to me.

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[–] xxblackrosexx 18 years ago

Passenger62 is a good example why being immature is a bad thing.

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[–] xxblackrosexx 18 years ago

Too bad I don't cut on my arms. I could careless if a bunch of strangers know. I stopped caring ages ago.

Sorry hun, but they don't do it for attention. Maybe you can educate yourself. Unless you like to live in your buble of ignorance. (www.selfharm.net)

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[–] nogard8910 18 years ago

Personally, I bruise myself rather than cut. I do it because unlike most people, I enjoy pain (not sexually at all). You can consider it similar to liking spicy food, only in the skin rather than in taste. Pain releases endorphins (meant as a pain-killer) similar to food. However, when I'm really depressed, I use it as an escape from sadness the way other people may use drugs. While I can't claim other self-injurers feel pain the way I do, I believe most become "addicts" similarly.

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[–] nogard8910 18 years ago

If you refuse to look at the evidence, why should your opinion hold any weight?

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[–] nogard8910 18 years ago

I realize that there are indeed people like you describe, however, these are the minority. There are people who pretend to be gay; would you consider every person who claims to be gay to be doing it to appear a certain way? I think not. Self-injury is not a new concept, despite what news articles may say. There are mentions of it in the Bible, of men cutting themselves with stones after people die. It's part of human nature and not simply a trend.

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[–] ms-pg-mg-ghrheroes 10 years ago

and how's that portrayed there?it the act considered good in the bible? or a sin?

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[–] xxblackrosexx 18 years ago

Actually, you start High School at fourteen. Or at least in the US you do.

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[–] squeekygrl88 18 years ago

All of them were 13-year-old attention cutters? Really? What, did you take the time to talk to ALL of them, get to know ALL of them, find out ALL of them do it, and for the exact same reason? Were they ALL 13? Or 14?
No, because that's not possible. Everybody's resons are different, and people of every age are cutters.
And that site isn't a 'crap hippie site'. There are many much worse.

It's easier to become an ex-cutter than an ex-moron.

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[–] squeekygrl88 18 years ago

All of them were 13-year-old attention cutters? Really? What, did you take the time to talk to ALL of them, get to know ALL of them, find out ALL of them do it, and for the exact same reason? Were they ALL 13? Or 14?
No, because that's not possible. Everybody's resons are different, and people of every age are cutters.
And that site isn't a 'crap hippie site'. There are many much worse.

It's easier to become an ex-cutter than an ex-moron.

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[–] xxblackrosexx 18 years ago

Squeekygrl88 gets the golden sticker on the day!

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[–] Movie_Maven6 18 years ago

great reply....and why is everyone engaging someone with such an ignorant, uninformed attitude?

"HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!"

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[–] SarahBoo 18 years ago

More often than not, cutters cut because they NEED attention, not because they want attention. If they wanted the attention they wouldn't cover up their scars (as most cutters do). It is true, that some people cut just to get attention, which in that case, they should not be ridiculed but rather get the attention they are asking for.

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[–] MxSChizo 18 years ago

Both sides are right here, to a degree.
While plenty cases are genuine and need mental help, which is not at all shameful to admit, for many others it's becoming a fad and a way for kids to be "special", same thing that happened to wicca, gangsters and so many other things, those people should get a gun and do it properly.

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[–] lip-deep 18 years ago

The movie itself didn't make me mad... The way the girl's mother acted made me furious, though.
I know, she feels powerless and blabla, but God, it made me so, so angry that her mother, of all people!, had to destroy the bit of dignity she had left by making sure the whole school knew.
Her brother is just like my sister, btw. The resemblance is frightening. As is the way words so easily said can have such an impact.

When are people going to see taking away sharp objects, using guilt or pressure is not the way to handle cutting? Don't force them to stop.
For Gods sake, make sure they don't feel the NEED to cut by helping them.

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[–] SleepTight666 18 years ago

I reported the lifeless poster who was offending everyone here.

from now on, please people, report them. or ignore them, don't feed them. Let them just go away.

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[–] krullebol59 18 years ago

I have seen this movie twice and i can't stand the role of the mother. It is so angry making.

2 friends of mine used to cut and i used to binge so i get how the girl is feeling and i understand her role in this film. It is logical, but the mothers...... HMMM

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[–] daria319 18 years ago

I wasn't particularly offended, but I wasn't triggered either. The mother does indeed remind me of my own. I got slapped when she found out I was sleepwalking from the stress she put me under, after I had complained about it to a few teachers and a counselor. What pisses me off is how realistic the *beep* mother was. That's not a parent. That's a DNA donor.

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[–] tee_jays_hot 18 years ago

im sorry but passenger62 has made me cry, unless u have been there u can not comment. yes its true, some ppl do it for attention but not everyone. i cut and i seen doctors about it, they put it down to manic depression and personalitly disorter (not other wise specified). as for the movie, i loved it!! i have been hurting myself since i was like 15 and it was because i found hurting myself on the outside took the pain away on the inside. i know this wasnt for attention as i hide my scars for almost 2 years before my mum seen them. i stopped for a while but i have found myself doing it again without relizing which is why i went to the doctors. i seen the movie when i was about 16 and back then, in invercargill atleast, you never heard of ppl doing this kind of thing so watching this movie made me relize i wasnt alone. anyone can say what they want, it doesnt change the fact that ppl do it!! and being mean about ppl who do cut and self harm only makes them do it more. with comments like passenger62 has left, i dont blame ppl who have hurt them self. like i said, u dont no what that person has been through to feel they have to hurt themselfs for the pain to stop. i find most ppl who have been raped do this. i cant remember my childhood and i dont no y. i have blocked out a huge part of it. if i could find out what happened in that part of my life, mybe i could help myself to stop. if anyone wants to mail me and talk about their problems, i am a great listener... [email protected] :)

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[–] tee_jays_hot 18 years ago

u sed::

"hey man, i'm not lifeless. i just had nothing to do at the time.
you call me lifeless when you spend parts of your day searching through imdb forums trying to find people to report because you feel like you're making a difference to the imdb community. okay"

it seems u have nothing to do since u have the most posts on this board!!! i am 21 years old so for u to tell me to grow up because i had a tear come to my eye for the hurtfull crap u sed, u need to grow up and start respecting ppl. maybe if u had been sexually abused as a kid, ud see it differntly!! ur one of the very lucky humans i guess who seems to have had a 'perfect' childhood. u may reply to this and say u had a bad childhood but im sure for someone who doesnt cut or self harm, it wasnt as bad as it could have been. i think u need help. ur nothing but a bully!!!!!!!!!!!

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[–] cutandscarredforlife 18 years ago

No one should laugh at cutters. I was forced to be an ex-cutter. I never wanted to stop. Omfg. Does no one understand? The only people who do it for attention are people who let it show. Do people not know what it's like to be harassed and stalked for 2 years? Or having a brother who has ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome, OCD and other things? Or to not have people like you at a new school year after year? Moving away from your true friends? Parents not understanding you and sometimes abusing you? People who are cutters will always be cutters, and there is nothing you can do about it. Even if you get better, something can always trigger you to want to cut again.

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[–] Utrum_longhorn 18 years ago

I'd say you're under the age of 17. Am I right?

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[–] pennibelle 18 years ago

You sound like a primary sociopath.

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[–] AmberLeigh35578 18 years ago

I didn't find it as much offensive as, overdramatic. I think the whole movie was extremely over dramatized, expecially the scene were she is cutting herself in the stairwell at Dr.Parella's. The only person I could actually stand in the movie was Lorraine. I actually thought Lorraine was funny in a twisted kinda way, she was the only one that had even a hint of personality to her. Everyone else was so boring.

I kind of agree with Passenger62. *Hides from evil stares* Just not in as much of a immature way. Almost everybody you see these days does it for attention, and some don't even have the backbone to actually do it, they just scratch little lines that go away in about 2 hours, or long enough to milk as much pity as they can out of it. I'm not saying that all people are like this. I have done this since I was 10 years old and just recently stopped for this purpose. I don't see what it solves, it's just made my life 20 times more difficult. I'm always trying so hard to hide it, then you see these people who go around advertising it and it's just pathetic. That's just my 2 cents.

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[–] Butterfly0740 18 years ago

There are those who do it for attention only, but most SI people are not doing it for attention -- at least not in the obvious way. It's an addiction, a way to cope, a bad way -- just like alcoholism, drugs, etc. You can't deal or vocalize things, so you keep it in and cover it up with something else. In SI's ways, it's inflicting controlled psychical pain onto themselves. It's most common with those who have been abused and are hiding it.

It is pointless, but it's hard to see that when you're in that dark area. Part of you wants to keep it a secret and keep doing it and part of you does what people to see, so that you can get help without having to go to someone. But a lot of people can't get cutting is NOT the problem, it's the cover up -- so you still don't get the right type of help once people know of it. It's the coping method. You need to address your issues and find better ways to release when you're upset. It starts out with the big things and then you need it for the little things, too.

I learned, I stopped, but it's a life long fight to not harm myself -- just as someone who is an alcoholic. There are some attention whores, but most aren't and it's so sad that this ha been put on those who self-injure.

ANYWAY, I saw this movie long ago and now just agian today I caught the ending and remembered it, from back in the day when I was doing it and hiding it. The movie is very dramatic, I guess they want a point to be given, so they go to the extreme with self harm. I hated the mother, she didn't understand it all and was just a bad parent with it... That's what angered me the most about the movie, was how she didn't even TRY to understand to help her daughter out.

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[–] imdb-3702 18 years ago

Hey Everyone

Dont cut yourself

cut some bread, butter it, add some jam and then eat it

seriously though, i think anyone who has a problem with this affliction should look into social activitys like hand gliding, scuba diving ect

come on who need to do it really

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[–] Movie_Maven6 18 years ago

actually, these people need therapy to find out why they do it...and for those of you who have a problem with spelling and grammar....

"HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!"

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[–] CrowRules 18 years ago

I thought this movie was really good, not that I was ever a cutter. I did burn myself sometimes when I was stressed. I don't think people cut to get attention completely, I believe when people cut it is a cry for help. So, in a sense it is to get attention. Most cutters don't show off their scars and such, my younger brother used to cut and right in front of me. I never knew how to help him except telling him he shouldn't cut himself it is dangerous. I don't know if he does it anymore, but I would mostly say it is a cry for help.

Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth lol.

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[–] muffinbomb 18 years ago

I was a cutter for years, from 12 to 16 years old. It was a painful time for me. I am a sexual abuse survivor, and cutting seemed to me the only way to get out my pain, since for a long time, I didn't tell anyone what was going on, and I'm glad I've finally been able to overcome my problem. In a way, cutting is a cry for help, but more like a silent cry. You don't want anyone to see, and you don't make an attempt to try and show anyone, but at the same time, you wish one day, your shirt sleeve will slip, or maybe a blood spot will show, so you can finally get the help you need.

This movie wasn't bad, I just thought the characters were (except Rhea Perlman, who pulled this movie along with the best of her ability). I thought Dawn as a character was extremely selfish, and seemed like she really did only cut for attention. When she saw the psychiatrist, she said "It's my body, I'll cut where I want," and, "I'm telling you now, I'm not going to stop." I thought she was very rude and portrayed people who have genuine problems as mean and ungrateful for the help they are offered.
Her parents are almost very bothersome to me, especially her mother. It was always "Me me me," she never even once asked her daughter what made her so sad, or even stopped to consider what she said might make her daughter more depressed. It's like telling a person threatening suicide, "If you kill yourself, I'll be so sad." It's only going to make them more upset that they are causing you grief, and might actually push them to kill themselves more.

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[–] Ramza1 18 years ago

"I thought Dawn as a character was extremely selfish, and seemed like she really did only cut for attention. When she saw the psychiatrist, she said "It's my body, I'll cut where I want," and, "I'm telling you now, I'm not going to stop." I thought she was very rude and portrayed people who have genuine problems as mean and ungrateful for the help they are offered. "

It's almost fascinating that I saw Dawn in a completely different light. I really don't think she cut for attention, because nobody even knew about it before her teacher saw the blood on her sleeve, and the movie suggests that she had been cutting for a LONG time before that.

I think it was pretty clear that she cut herself so that she could be in control of her pain, but even she probably wasn't aware of why until after she started seeing the psychiatrist.
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When her friend asks her if it hurts she say's "only when I want it to," I can totally relate to that. After experiencing a lot of emotional pain that is completely out of your control, it isn't that uncommon to seek pain that is in your control in order to make you feel more in control of your life.

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"i'm trying to make fun of the kids who cut themselves so they'll feel stupid and maybe stop doing it. they need to realize that it's a dumb thing to do. "

Smokers know that smoking is a dumb thing to do; they still do it because it "helps" them in some way. In fact, smoking (like cutting) has the effect of granting yourself control over your mental state.

I would rather be insulted by an honest person, than complimented by a liar.

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[–] muffinbomb 18 years ago

When her friend asks her if it hurts she say's "only when I want it to," I can totally relate to that. After experiencing a lot of emotional pain that is completely out of your control, it isn't that uncommon to seek pain that is in your control in order to make you feel more in control of your life.

I completely understand as well. The thing I realized after I stopped cutting though, was that you really didn't have control of what you were doing. It's like having an eating disorder. When you become fearful of eating, or gaining weight, and have to starve or make yourself throw up to supress your fear, you are not in control. When you are at the point where you cut yourself just to have any type of feeling at all, you are not in control. I wish I would have seen that earlier.

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[–] Ramza1 18 years ago

I adsolutely agree with you there. Cutters are more out of control then they were before they started cutting, however I can definitely relate to how it makes you "feel" like you're in control, especially when you first start out.

It takes a lot of willpower to overcome your self preservation instincts and actually damage yourself on purpose, to bad it takes even more willpower to stop.

I would rather be insulted by an honest person, than complimented by a liar.

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[–] BunnyXCore 16 years ago

she cut to get back at her mom

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[–] Emily-65-Roses 18 years ago

Okay I just wrote a response and it got deleted, so I'm pissed. Anyways, I'm going to try to rewrite it as accurately as possible:

Sure, cutting is a dumb way of coping, but so is smoking, and how many people do that?

I started cutting at least partially for attention, and wouldn't tell you otherwise. The guy I was head over heels in love with started doing it to deal with his crap, and I thought, "Hmm, I wonder if that works." So I gave it a try. I did it on my left arm, and started with the shallow cat scratches.

Then it became something I could not avoid. When I became upset over something, I could NOT calm down until I had finished cutting. The cuts got a lot deeper. To this day, I have a lovely little group of scars on my upper left arm that are huge and disgusting enough that whenever I wear short sleeves in public, I get stares. I'm sick of the stares, but wearing short sleeves does not mean I call for attention. It means they're there and I'm stuck with them... and I'm not going to wear long sleeves when it's 90+ degrees outside because I don't care about hiding them so much that I wish to be incredibly uncomfortable. By the end, I had moved to my upper thigh, so the only one that saw it was my boyfriend.

I just wanted to answer as one having been there, and out of it now, so I can try to offer a fairly objective picture. I'm 22, and I quit when I was 20, so it's been almost 2 years. I also figured I could be of help having done it for both of the suggested reasons. I suppose I'm hoping this will be one of the most well-rounded responses given, and give a fair / reasonable view of the whole thing.

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