what ridiculous dreck!!!!


I am only writing this here in hopes of dissuading someone from wasting their time on this ridiculous film. After seeing that it was given such a high imdb rating, i rented it, expecting to see 2 good actors, jean reno and vincent cassel, in a very good work. Instead,I am very sorry i wasted my time.
Absurd twisted mostly nonsensical plot w/ unnecessary gore.
If you liked it, don't bother bashing me and calling me names; you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just wanted potential viewers to hear the other non-positive side of the coin.

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Yes, I somewhat agree that the storyline of this movie is well, unimportant. Vincent Cassel's character makes no sense to me as if a police officer would investigate so deeply in a profanation case. The thrill is there, but too much sometimes as the storyline won't support the cinematography which is saving the whole thing for me, the musical score aside. In fact, this is a fair thriller, well directed and with an interesting cast.
Oh, I got to mention I fell asleep near the end as the intrigue was getting a little over the top.

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Im with you "film ophile"

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Yep, pretty much.

I mean, sure, Jean Reno does his moody, world-weary cop routine to near perfection, Vinnie Cassel is OK as the slightly more wide-eyed detective (witness his meeting with the mother who had become a blind nun), which doesn't really scan and is inconsistent with certain other facets of his character, but yes, in essence, this flick is a gigantic case of style over substance almost to the same extent as something like The O.C. !
(But what scenery ! Some stunning photography to be sure, but this was never going to be enough to compensate for the rest of this unengaging so-called "thriller")

No real character development, a pretty weak pay-off regarding both the revealed twist AND the action at the denouement, and the most ridiculous, out-of-place and hilarious fight scene ever shoe-horned into a movie since Mike Myers' fight with his prospective father-in-law in Wayne's World 2 (with the major difference being that that WAS meant to be funny). I am referring to Vinnie's fight with the skinhead and the boxer, of course, but you knew that already. Do I need to explain why ? It's like they pasted in a fight scene with three background extras from some sub-Jackie Chan martial arts movie !

Sorry to all those of you that were taken in by this, someone even compared it to Se7en - oh, how wrong could you be !
No real sense of tension, since we have no real vested interest in the characters, and the interest in the events is thus never really raised above the level of mild curiosity.

Sure, they try to inject some sense of tension into it by using foreboding music, some gore and dark settings, even using some imagery stolen straight out of Silence of the Lambs, but whereas that particular scene shocked me to the core in Silence, the copy in this barely raised my eyebrow.

A couple of other minor but amusing gripes I had with the movie (which were by no means the only things that spoilt this film for me): funny how Reno's Pierre Niemans never once showed his ID or was ever asked to by any of the members of the public he was questioning / talking to - they just took it for granted he really was the detective he said he was.
Secondly, when Niemans pulls the gun on the other cop/s at the end in an act of impulsive rashness / anger (before they go up the mountain), Max does the same too (to back him up, wouldn't you know), which is idiotic, since any cop in real life would have been more likely to play reconciliator and since everybody there knew they wouldn't shoot anybody. Even more ridiculous is the way they drew out this "tense" (lol) situation by slowly backing away into the sky-lift while STILL HOLDING THE GUNS ON THE OTHER COPS, as if anybody was gonna stop them or as if anyone believed they would shoot - the other cops didn't try to stop them, but that was mainly because what they were about to do wasn't such a big problem for anyone else.

Directed AS WELL AS CO-WRITTEN (adapted) by Mathieu Kassovitz, who you may remember as playing the love interest in Amélie, but who also wrote and directed the blistering La Haine five years before (which launched both his and Vinnie's careers into the big-time), this film was for the most part visually well-put together, with good production design and competently directed, it's mainly the script that let it down big-time. I don't know what the book is like, but if it's any good, it certainly loses a lot in its transposition to the screen.

Mathieu should have known better - but then he *did* also direct Gothika.

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Yeah, your entitled to your opinion, so am I, so is everone. Still I feel obliged to write something positive about this movie which I really liked. This movie is for example one of the - in my opinion - few movies which actuall suceed in adapting a novel.

The plot may seem weird or nonsensical to some - I on the other hand thought it was a refreshing different plot which picks up the idea of the Nazi's Projekt Lebensborn idea and transfers it in the academic microcosm af a rural university. The other plotline is a mysterious desecrating of a grave and a burglary of a elemantary school. Eventually both plotlines merge and establish new stunning revelations.

And as prior posters have already pointed out the movie's photography is just beautiful. And I don't think there's more to say, is there?

All in all I totally enjoyed watching this movie and wasn't disapointed as I had read the book before and as I state above: there are not so many movies which succeed in doing so.

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I agree; what a bunch of nonsense.

Some of the other posts on here certainly make sense of the plot but I think these are coming from the book. I had pretty much written off this trash way before the total sell-out cliche "OMG there are twins WTF!!!" scene and then the ridiculous avalanche. The plot is almost compelling enough to prompt a re-watching but not with the god awful cheesy dialogue and out of nowhere kung-fu fighting. Jesus.

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Are you kids nuts? With one gazilionth of stupid Hollywood serial killer flicks, that are absolutely scriptless and moronic, you find this film to have a thin plot, where it at least actually deals with some serious issues as eugenics, and presents a compelling if a bit muddled story, merging two plotlines together and all that with some stunning cinematography and acting? Some genius here said it's not even close to seven, sure steinberg because seven is far worse, if there ever was a plot less gratuitously and brutally violent movie, that would be seven. So tell us, genius, what was the plot in seven? A serial killer of which the us has many killing one after another based on the seven deadly sins and then sending the detective's girlfriends head in a box to him? Wow, what a plot, such complexity there...the same genius said he didn't sympathise with the characters to care, of course he sympathised with random bozos being brutally murdered in seven and some cartoon character of a detective...

It's so funny, even if it's infuriating, how stupid people will consider films that actually have some intelligence, for the genre of course, as stupid films, and they'll think stupid films are masterpieces, and then they ll find all sorts of inane ways to rationalise this.

And to the other genius who said when one cop pulls a gun to the others then his partner should not pull a gun too, but try to calm things down. I you had understood anything from the film at all the older cop is the young cop's idol, he is a legend, the younger cop is bound to side with him in the heat of the moment when some rural cops are against him, and not only that you moron, they are desperately trying to stop an avalanche from destroying the whole campus, they are bound to pull guns on other cops and act frenetic...

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Filmi, take a chill pill. No one's really comparing all those films to this film. And what's with all this Hollywood this and that crap? Just cos the film is French and people don't like it, you automatically assume everyone loves Hollywood films and not French ones?

I just watched this and in the end, I was a little disappointed too. It all started off well with the moody, sinister feelingm but then it all just seemed to get tied up so quickly with a cop out ending. I did feel that fight scene was totally out of place. It didn't suit this type of movie at all.

On the other hand, I don't really have any gripes. I've not read the book but do feel this could've been fleshed out some more as I was getting into it and then it all ended so quickly. And yes, the scenery was beautiful. Truly stunning.

And before you waste your time trying to shoot down my take on the film, 'Filmi', do realise people have their own opinions so don't get all worked up. In the end this was a good, not great, movie and sadly, I wasn't as compelled as much I was with 'Se7en'

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Yes, because a kung fu cop movie about an implausible serial killer is in French suddenly it must be intelligent.

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"Are you kids nuts?"

Way to start a compelling argument: call the people you disagree with "kids" and crazy simply for disagreeing with your opinion on a movie.

"With one gazilionth of stupid Hollywood serial killer flicks, that are absolutely scriptless and moronic, you find this film to have a thin plot..."

Okay, while I get you meant to say that most Hollywood "serial killer flicks" are stupid what you did say is that only "one gazillionth" of them are. What's more, the question of whether or not most Hollywood films of this genre are stupid is of no consequence to the topic at hand.

"where it at least actually deals with some serious issues as eugenics..."

No it doesn't. It uses eugenics as nothing more than a plot point. In all honesty the university could have been doing pretty much anything "evil" and the movie would have played out pretty much the same way.

"and presents a compelling if a bit muddled story..."

It certainly starts with a compelling idea for a story and turns it into a confused, cliche-filled mess.

"merging two plotlines together..."

This is something that going in to the movie seemed like a cool idea. I was wondering how these two crimes were related and how they would come together. Unfortunately, you realize by the time Cassel's detective meets with the mother that his whole story up to that point served only to let you know that the killer is a woman (gee, who could that be?) and to have him meet/join-up with Reno's character.

"Some genius here said it's not even close to seven..."

Well we see where this is going don't we? You're now calling people stupid for preferring Seven.

"sure steinberg because seven is far worse"

Steinberg? Am I missing something here?

"if there ever was a plot less gratuitously and brutally violent movie, that would be seven."

Seven was certainly graphic but I don't remember a whole lot of on-screen violence and it had a plot that was fairly easy to follow.

"So tell us, genius, what was the plot in seven?"

Want a tip? Repeatedly using "genius" like that doesn't exactly make your post sound smart.

"A serial killer of which the us has many killing one after another based on the seven deadly sins and then sending the detective's girlfriends head in a box to him?"

Want to see me do the same to this movie?

An evil twin fakes her death as a child so she can grow up and murder Nazis at a university in France but is ultimately thwarted by the combined efforts of her good twin, Jean Reno, a kung fu-fighting Vincent Cassel and an avalanche.

"Wow, what a plot, such complexity there...the same genius said he didn't sympathise with the characters to care..."

Yes, your very bare-bones description of the vague outline of the plot to Seven really does make it sound stupid.

"the same genius said he didn't sympathise with the characters to care, of course he sympathised with random bozos being brutally murdered in seven and some cartoon character of a detective..."

In Seven we see the main characters away from their work on the case. We see them at home. We see them as people. We are given reason to care about what happens to his wife at the end. In this movie we see Jean Reno and Vincent Cassel playing archetypal, overused cop characters (grizzled old-timer and young, brash up-and-comer) and that's it. We don't see them doing anything beyond working this case. They are detectives doing detective stuff for two hours.

I had to laugh at the bit about a "cartoon character" you said there. Did you miss the part where Cassel gets in a silly choreographed fight scene with skin heads? The scene that looks like it belongs in a straight-to-DVD martial arts movie crammed into what was up to that point a dark murder mystery? Or the part at the end where the villain is killed by AN AVALANCHE while the main characters hide behind something that would never had actually protected anyone from it like they were in a stupid Hollywood summer action film?

Also you're now up to three "geniuses."

"It's so funny, even if it's infuriating, how stupid people will consider films that actually have some intelligence, for the genre of course, as stupid films, and they'll think stupid films are masterpieces, and then they ll find all sorts of inane ways to rationalise this."

Again, calling people stupid while writing like a supremely stupid person and defending a very stupid movie. I have a question for you. If this film wasn't French but was instead American would you be sitting here defending its brilliance?

"And to the other genius who said when one cop pulls a gun to the others then his partner should not pull a gun too, but try to calm things down."

That's four times now. Well at least this time you skipped a sentence before using it again.

"I you had understood anything from the film at all the older cop is the young cop's idol"

EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

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The fight scene with the skinheads blew it for me. So freakin' fake. Even the soundtrack to that scene was crap.

Average film.

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This wasn't a great film, but it wasn't bad by any means. I liked it and give it 6.5/10.

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