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Lets settle on the "stolen" scene seen in the The Matrix Revolutions


1. There is no original idea.

2. Many filmmakers borrow or pay homage to other movies, and The Wachowski brothers have said before that a lot of Japanese films inspired the style of the Matrix.

3. "If its a good movie its homage. If its a bad movie, its a rip-off" - Bob Gale on the Back to the Future DVD Commentary. I hate the word copy or rip-off in the film business since it is really about who directed it or whether the movie is good or bad.

4. As said in other posts. The only similarites are the fact that it is pouring rain, slow motion, and the close-ups of the fist.

If you are a negative person you can look at it as it was stolen or ripped off or copied. Or if you want to be a positive person you can look at it as a homage, a montage, borrowed, a reference.

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If you are a negative person you can look at it as it was stolen or ripped off or copied. Or if you want to be a positive person you can look at it as a homage, a montage, borrowed, a reference.

What are you, twelve years old? Thirteen?

Tell you what. You sweat and strain coming up with a twist that's all your very own...and then let me lift it gratis. See how groovy my 'homage' feels then.

Not like either THE MATRIX or this movie is worth arguing over. If I could figure out the Korean translation for 'piece of incoherent *beep*', I might've even offered a one-sentence review for this dreck.

I only wish I had a nickel for every filmgeek spooging themselves over these empty-calorie wankfests of pointless technique for its own sake. Hey, wow, slo-mo....gunfights with MTV cutting....hand-held shots...changing film stock...all this and breathtakingly idyllic shots of falling rain spattering off a leaf! Seijun Suzuki could get away with this back when nobody else was even thinking of it, but it's a little different now that EVERYBODY and his kid sister is cranking out these Woo/Kitano/Miike-fests.

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Choji Kimchi (Ghetto-Honglish for 'Cock-Cabbage'). Does that suffice?

...The Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is; saw Virtue in her shape how lovely...

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There are more simluarites than that. The hero was contantly knowcked down by tyhe villian anhd always (slowly) got back up to fight. The beginning of the fight is almost dead on. Close pu the fists (as you mentioned) close up of the face, thena tracking shot of them running into each other. Hell the face to the fist in sow mo and clsose up was even taken (although it was heavilty aided by CGI and only Agent Smith was hit while in Nowhere to Hide they hit each other simultaeously and the actors simply froze in position and held it). However, abother thing that was kinda borrowed was the fighters exxageratingly flying back after being hit. Thi occured in an earlier fight however and (in Nowhere to Hie) they either used a blue screen or had the guy on a dolley then had him jump bacvkwards for the landing. Of course, the idea of people flying backwards after being hit has been around for the longest time in cinema so i gues that doesnt really cout (although that same fi=ght scne e did feature close-ups of the fists as they wer being thrown)


Instead of a hitlist, I have a Do NOt Kill List . . . . . so far no one is on it.

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"The beginning of the fight is almost dead on. Close pu the fists (as you mentioned) close up of the face, thena tracking shot of them running into each other. Hell the face to the fist in sow mo and clsose up was even taken (although it was heavilty aided by CGI and only Agent Smith was hit while in Nowhere to Hide they hit each other simultaeously and the actors simply froze in position and held it)."


Agreed. While i'm all 4 people borowing from each other to push they're genres forward, for about 30 seconds and the ensuing scenario was completely taken. From the fists; shot for shot. Very lame.

Tarentino is happy to say exactly where he's taken things from, coz he loves the films and he loves being a shameless copycat. That's fine, he makes excellant films. Wachowski's butchered not only they're own two sequels but any homages they were intending...

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They haven't said anything specific. They just generally say that a lot of anime films and kung fu films have influenced them while making the matrix films.

The only films I ever remember them specifing are Ghost in the Shell and Akira.

P.S. fowler-1. Don't be such an ass. There is no need to get insulting over the post.

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No, I don't believe they did. Darren Aronfsky buying those rights are the only time have ever heard of ANY director EVER buying the rights to something to do the same thing. Truth is most directors "steal" things from other movies. Star Wars is heavily based on old saturday matinee serials. The opening crawl information of what has happened lately in the universe scrolling up into infinity is taken directly from the old "Buck Rogers" serials. And of course we all know about Quentin Tarantino references other films constantly. But opinions on him are sharpley divided.

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Did the director say his scene was 'stolen' while he stole from Potemkin (you know what scene I'm talking about) and, in an earlier work, from Singin' in the rain? Stylists, enough said.

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Okay, the last fight of Matrix Revolutions is COMPLETELY ripped off from Dark City (Proyas 1998)

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Check out Miracleman 2 & Miracleman 15 by Alan Moore. The final fight in the matrix took alot from those two issues.

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hey i saw dark city by proyas and being a amatuer filmmaker myself it so often happens that u see something then it stays at the back of u r mind, unconcious, then u put it somewhere on film without even knowing that u have been inspired, it has happened to me while making machinimas (for those of u how dont know what that is, it is a movie made using a game engine, btw if u interested i made payne 2 the max)

anyways the point is that this cant be called ripping off , especially since matrix is so inspired from mangas and comics!

give the wachowskis a break, they are great film makers!

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