Parents Innocent


Disregarding the media lies and rumour bullcrap, the evidence is pretty strong and DOES NOT even hint at the parents being her killers. It astounds me that people still torture the innocent just because some newspaper rag or crappy tv show says so.

Half of the so called evidence isn't even true! It is just media fabrication, a lot like the evidence in the Jack the Ripper case.

Here are the basic facts given by police and forensic investigation sources are channel 4 "who killed jonbenet", crimelibrary and http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com -

The entire family had been out and left the house empty on Xmas night. They returned home and put JonBenet to bed around 9.30pm.

Patsy woke after 5am and walked downstairs to the kitchen. She found a ransom note and went to check on her daughter. She found JonBenet absent and called 911.

Fact - A ransom note was found on the stairs leading down to the kitchen.
FACT - The samples of handwriting that John and Patsy provided to the police were later found to bear no similarities to those on the ransom note.

Police record a 911 call from the home at 5.25am and have responded at the scene by 5.32am.

Note - The Police made the serious error at this point of not securing the scene IN ANY MANNER. It should be noted that as such any forensic evidence upstairs would be considered contaminated.

The Police allowed Jon Ramsey and a friend (Fleet) to search downstairs and it was in a basement room that her body was discovered by her father.

"JonBenet was found wrapped in a blanket and lying in the middle of the basement floor. She had duct tape across her mouth. She lay with her arms above her head and a white cord was wrapped tightly around her neck. The same cord was tied loosely to her wrists. The broken handle of a paintbrush, measuring approximately 4.5 inches in length, had been looped into the cord to form a garrote. At the time of her death, JonBenet was wearing a sweatshirt over a long sleeve shirt. The lower half of her body was clad in white pajama bottoms over white panties."


(note that such 'evidence' as a lack of footprints around the home are not factual as the scene was not secure nor was the weather taken into consideration when this stuff was leaked to the media by inexperienced (fact!) and overzealous cops)

FACT - there was little to no snow coverage around the house.

Police report of dec 26 states a number of open windows in the house and at least one open door. As this may be considered contaminated (anyone could have done this), we can disallow this info but consider the secure basement scene where the basement window was found to be OPEN. Also this very window was broken and could not be secured as a result.

"JonBenet's bedroom is one floor below her parents' room, a total distance of 55 feet of walkways, covered by thick carpeting.

A carpeted spiral staircase, a few feet from her room, leads down to the kitchen. From the kitchen, it is only a few steps to the door that leads to the basement stairs. At the bottom of the stairs is a short corridor that leads directly to the room where her body was found."

As such it is not unreasonable to conclude that there was NO NEED for a forced entry, there was no 'secret room' as reported nor was there copious amounts of snow around the house.

"The evidence suggests that either someone took the girl from her bedroom by force, or lured her to the kitchen with the promise of food, which would explain the undigested remnants of pineapple found in her stomach at the time of her death. "

Note - a stun gun was used on her at some point. In autopsy pics you can clearly see two burn marks on her neck that were not in any pics taken the days before.

"She was then taken to the basement, had tape placed over her mouth, and was bound with the nylon cord. She was then sexually assaulted, after which she was strangled with the garrote and bashed about the head. The killer or killers then wrote out a two and a half page "ransom" note on a pad from the house, demanding $118,000, and left it at the foot of the staircase."


In the following days and weeks news reports speculated on a variety of falsehoods including the level of grief shown, the hiring of criminal lawyers and the Ramseys sexually abusing their daughter. None of the claims can be verified and sources have been proven false.

Fact - JonBenet had been examined by her family doctor before her murder and was not sexually molested. He found no evidence and reported her a happy and healthy child. The medical examiner confirms this.

If this theory is correct, then the killer would have to be someone who:

- is familiar with the layout of the house.
- knows the Ramseys personally enough to know that John Ramsey received a bonus of $118,000.
- is small enough to have gained entry via a narrow basement window and possibly exited the same way.
- was confident enough to spend the time to not only commit the offense, but to have the presence of mind to write a long note in an attempt to draw suspicion away from himself.

In addition to this:

The evidence observed by police at the scene strongly suggests that the attack came from someone outside the house; for instance:

- A footprint made by a Hi-Tec stamped hiking boot was found in the concrete dust of the wine cellar. The boot has not been connected to any of the Ramseys.
- An unidentified palm print was found on the door of the wine cellar. It does not belong to John, Patsy or Burke Ramsey.
-A pubic hair was found on the blanket in which JonBenet was wrapped. It does not belong to John, Patsy or Burke Ramsey.
-A piece of broken glass was found under a basement window. The window was open and the sill showed signs of disturbance.
-There was a scuff-mark on the basement wall below the window. Someone had to have climbed in or out of this window (however, no footprints were found outside the window).
-The duct tape and the cord used in the murder were not found in the Ramsey house.

(see http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/it_5.html)

There is further evidence of a suitcase with duvet and pillow found in the basement where fibers had transfered to the body.

It seems all of the untainted proof is down in those basement rooms.

So why exactly do people still think the Ramseys killed their daughter?















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Here are the basic facts given by police and forensic investigation sources are channel 4 "who killed jonbenet", crimelibrary and http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com -


wait. so u got ur info from wikipedia? u know u can't really count on that site, don't u?

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ok. i just like to double-check anything i get off there

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In my opinion I think the Parents had something to do with it and Burke knew what happened and is afraid to come fourth and tell it because his father is keeping him from saying anything. and plus if u guys had listened Pasty and John were the only 2 people who knew about how much money John had. And also when the police reviewed the 911 tape they heard burke in the background and pasty claimed that burke was asleep. so explain those 2 serineos and also john claimed that he left his key and had to kick in the window of the basement and plus if u guys are saying they are innocent then explain to me this as well why wasnt the home alarm was on when this was happening and why did the ramsey and/or the cops allow the neigbors to come into there house. and also how did john know where to look. when the cops arrived the lady cop asked john to look around the house and had a neighbor to help him, and john said quickly lets go down into the basement 1st so the ramsey new what happened to their daughter.

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They have. There's no way that there was no third party member but I think it's still possible the Ramseys were involved.

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I ALWAYS "felt" instinctively, that the parents had NOTHING to do with Jon Benet's death.

My conclusion was reenforced after watching Patsy and John in numerous interviews, reading transcripts and viewing the many documentaries and other new items.

It was also obvious to me from the first or second day that the Boulder police, and Boulder detectives were on a witch hunt. They never investigated any other possible perps. They never seriously considered the fact that the Holiday Season Open House the Ramsey's held earlier that winter could easily have taught anyone with a vendetta agaisnt John, what their floor plan was.

Patsy and John Ramsey were tortured unfairly and robbed of their lives as Americans under a fair justice system.

Any of you who believe these ppl killed their own daughter based on the FACTS, are no better than those who burned witches at the stake just because someone else told you to.

I send a "tsk" and disgust to all of you! And kudos those are believe John and Patsy were and are innocent. And to think that John had to bury Patsy. I'm sure the grief helped to kill that poor lady. She loved her daughter.

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yeah the thing is YA DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! so save me the richousness crap! who knows who did it its all pretty iffy, all I can say is if the police did their job right, there would have been a better chance to find the culprit

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Well said, Faye. It really angers me what bunglers the Boulder PD were. When the Ramseys called the police, they told them about the ransom note. The note said not to contact the police. The police should then have parked away from the house out of uniform, in unmarked cars and discreetly made their way to the Ramsey house, to protect JonBenet, if she was really kidnapped. Instead, the bungling police department pulled their cars right in front of the house and walked in. Had JonBenet been alive and really kidnapped, the police could have been signing her death warrant by their actions.

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There was foreign DNA not only on her panties, but on the outside legs of her pajama bottoms. Henry Lee was trying to say the DNA could have gotten on the pajama bottoms in the factory in China, but that does not explain why the DNA on the pajama bottoms matched the DNA in the panties. None of that DNA was from the Ramseys.

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Unlike O.J. and Blake...DNA cleared the Ramseys.

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Bbrit, I don't think you read anything that the original poster said.
You stated:
"plus if u guys had listened Pasty and John were the only 2 people who knew about how much money John had. "
Not true. The amount of his bonus was on any old paycheck stubs of his from the whole year that could be found. Many people had been in their house. A stub could have even been retrieved from the garbage.
"And also when the police reviewed the 911 tape they heard burke in the background and pasty claimed that burke was asleep. "
This was later proven to be false. It was background noise, but not Burke. The police made many statements that were later proven false, including their claim that the house was locked up and there was no forced entry. There were windows and a butler door that was unlocked.
" john claimed that he left his key and had to kick in the window of the basement"
The basement window was unlocked.
"plus if u guys are saying they are innocent then explain to me this as well why wasnt the home alarm was on when this was happening "
They hadn't used the home alarm for years, because JonBenet accidentally tripped it when she was three, and the police and fire department came out..all documented.
"why did the ramsey and/or the cops allow the neigbors to come into there house. "
Ask the cops why they allowed it. It's their job to preserve the crime scene. The Ramseys were hardly in their right minds at the time. The cops should have immediately called the FBI. They did NOT. This is mind-boggling.
"and also how did john know where to look. "
He DIDN'T. The cop told him to search the house, which she should NOT have. He searched all over the house and finally found JonBenet.
"john said quickly lets go down into the basement 1st "
No, he did not. The cop told him to search the HOUSE, and he searched the HOUSE. Where are you getting this information?

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This is very well researched, and very well worded. Thank you. I wish everyone would take the time to educate themselves on the case before deciding to blame the parents. I sometimes wonder if the case could be solved if everyone did just that.

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The Ramseys were officially cleared.
They most likely didn't bother with the alarm system after Jonbenet tripped it, because they had never been broken into before. This is not all that unusual in a town with a low crime rate.
Where are you getting that they did not want an autopsy? They did nothing to prevent the autopsy. They wanted to bury their child AFTER the autopsy, and the police were threatening not to release it until they made their statement. They wanted her buried in Atlanta, because that was their home. The rest of Jonbenet's family was there, and they intended to return there eventually, which they did.
Do you really know which terminology you would use for your child if that happened to her? Patsy was drugged up in her interviews, half out of her mind with grief. I think people get disappointed when the parents don't give them a free grief show. No one can really say how they would react if they were that heavily medicated.
Which other family member would you mean? Surely not Burke. He was 9, and hardly big enough to inflict that kind of damage. Jonbenet's older half-siblings were proven to be on the other side of the country at the time.

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Well said, Hermione. When Jonbenet accidentally tripped the alarm at the age of 3, the police department showed up. That's another reason the Ramseys weren't exactly in love with the alarm.

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What I think is weird is for parents to have a young child's room so far from their own bedroom. I always want to be within a distance from where I can hear my children shout in case they need help.

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jodi437 - One of my grandmothers lived her whole life in South Carolina and the other her whole life in Atlanta, Georgia. They are both now deceased having both been born in the late 1800's. I cannot tell you how many times I heard the phrase "THAT CHILD" from both of them. It was a southern expression used by them and was a term of endearment. It was sometimes used when referring to the young girls of the family and was ALWAYS used in a flattering way. It meant that the child was highly regarded and very much loved. It meant that she was special, meaningful and important. It was never used in a derogatory or negative way. I'll admit I don't hear this much anymore but back then in the south it was a common phrase. It was as common as sayings like "give me some sugar, older than dirt, you're the spitting image of your mother, and higher than a Georgia pine." Also, just recently my mother was talking to me about my niece (one of her granddaughters) having a serious physical illness and she said to me "oh...that child, I'm so worried about her" and she loves that child more than life itself.

I think that the misinterpretations of the Ramseys southern way of speaking, just like not understanding what "that child" means, probably attributed to them looking suspicious and hence people believed they were guilty. I think it's a shame that people read so much into how a person expresses themselves. It's just the way they talk. When Patsy said "that child" she was expressing how dear "that child" was to her. She would have said it even if she wasn't drugged up!!

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Whoever killed her had to have known she was down there.
Uhhh, yeah. Whoever killed her knew she was down there because THEY PUT HER THERE.
if they didn't want to use it why didn't they just cancel it? They still used it sometimes they just told the police they HARDLY used it. I had an alarm system and yes it did go off for every little thing sometimes! but we still continued to use it since we were paying for it and for safety reasons
The Ramsey's were wealthy people. I doubt they minded paying the extra 30 dollars a month for the services.
I'm sorry I don't care how drugged up you are you not not refer to your baby as "that child" I dont care if your from the south. Yes I do know I would never talk like that no matter what
I don't presume to know (or care) where you are from, but it's ignorant to make assumptions about common phrases from a place you've likely never visited.
I beleive that the parents killed her or hired someone to do it.
I've seen you barking out the "Ramsey's hired someone to kill her" theory on other threads on this page, but you've never once came up with a motive for why the Ramsey's would want Jonbenet dead.

Furthermore, your spelling is atrocious. I can't even take you seriously.

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I'm sorry but I'm not buying this stupid "From the south" excuse. I don't care if your from the south you don't refer to you daughter who has just been murdered "THAT child"
Good thing your opinion is about as worthless as a used tampon. Were you even alive when Jonbenet died? Do you have any idea about the way people spoke and their mannerisms?
No actually her bedroom was down there
Her bedroom was down there? What are you talking about? Her bedroom was on the second floor.
how would a stranger even know she was down there hidden in this little hidden room? Doesn't make any sense?
Once again.. what are you talking about?
As far as them having a motive, since when do sick killers ever have a motive? There are many people who have killed thier own kids, do you not listen to the news? Most killers and rapists just get a kick out of it.
Last time I checked, Burke Ramsey is still alive. If the Ramseys were cold blooded killers, don't you think they would have taken the opportunity to get rid of Burke too while they were at it? Your logic makes no sense.

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I have scoured the internet and I have not yet found even one comment (from anyone) that suggested that the Ramseys EVER made Jonbenet sleep in the basement. I'll assume for one minute that you're not completely inept, but where do you reckon (forgive my "harsh" southern slang) she would have slept?

AGAIN: Here's the floorplan of the basement: http://crimeshots.com/12261996basement.gif

Here are some crime scene photos of the basement taken the day Jonbenet's body was found:
http://crimeshots.com/locked.jpg
http://crimeshots.com/csblanket.jpg
http://crimeshots.com/178paint-tote.jpg
http://crimeshots.com/csvent.jpg
http://crimeshots.com/base9.gif
http://crimeshots.com/cssuitcase.jpg

Again... where would she supposedly be sleeping down there? With an entire 2 stories between her and her parents?

It was said many times on the news that they didn't want the poilice to check her body to see why she was killed.
I'm curious as to where you did your research from this case at? It was obviously an anti-Ramsey site since 95% of what you're saying is bologna. You might be thinking about the exhumation that the Boulder county sheriff's department wanted to do on Jonbenet to see if a stun gun was possibly used on her. The Ramseys did NOT want her grave to be dug up and for her body to be disturbed. If she were your loved one, would you?
Yes I was alive, when this case happened, I remember it well.
Nothing short of a birth certificate could convince me that you were alive when JB was. You are the perfect example of why parents should force their children to read books instead of troll internet message boards.

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your the one who doesn't know how to read
I can read adequately, thanks for the concern though.
I don't know why your just picking on me. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean you have to keep insulting me, I hate it when people do that on these boards.
No one is picking on you because your opinion differs from theirs. You're being picked on because you're spewing disinformation and you refuse to offer sources to your idiotic claims.
Just so you know I WAS alive, during this case, I'm not gonna show you my birth certificate on the internet (nobody in the right mind would do that!) but I was born in 1980.
It's pretty freaking terrifying that you're supposedly 30 years old and you hang out at the Jersey Shore boards. Do you think we're stupid or something?
I'm not gonna repaeat it all again but For one thing, Jon Bennet had alot of nannies and maids who had attmited that her parents made her sleep in the basement.
Most, if not ALL of the interviews have been made public transcripts. I have not found even one source to back up your ridiculous claim. Quit saying that crap unless you can provide one. If not, we're done talking about it.

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Hermione, I think she thinks we were born yesterday! ha ha

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From what I can see, you're not being bashed because you believe the Ramsey's might be involved, but rather because you post over the top outlandish claims but then fail to back them up.
Thanks TD. That's exactly our perspective. I can respect opposing opinions, but I can't and won't entertain people that base their opinions on disinformation.

I'm on the fence as well. I'd really genuinely like to believe that the Ramsey's are free of any guilt related to Jonbenet's death, but I can't help but feel as if they are hiding information or were involved in some way. Regardless, I'm certain that whatever happened that night was an accident on their part. The malicious venom some RDI's spew is indefensible. Like you said, small and insignificant parts of the Ramsey's lives have been picked apart and embellished just for the sake of being nasty. I haven't spent any time on Forums for Justice, but I frequently read the comments on the JBR forum on Webslueths and it breaks my heart that people are more concerned with bashing the family than finding justice for Jonbenet.

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There really are some nutters out there. That's all I can really say about them. I get that this case is perhaps one of the most famous cold cases in recent years and Jonbenet being a beautiful little girl with rich parents certainly demands attention to the details of this case, but you can't make the evidence fit where it doesn't belong. I've seen people build their entire theories of the murder on a fuzzy, pixelated image in the form of a barbie doll in the wine cellar. I've seen people blaming Burke because they believe he was really awake during the 911 call which is contrary to the story the Ramsey's told. As to how that particular issue is relevant, I don't know.. People are willing to commit severe logical fallacies in the name of crucifying the Ramsey's. Personally, I see no point in it. If the Ramsey's did it... so what? Patsy is dead. John will be before much longer. If the evidence was there to convict either of them, it would have been done a long time ago. I just don't know what they expect to accomplish. The reason why i'm still interested is my uncertainty. The mystery DNA is troubling and I see no innocent reason for it to have been found on 3 different areas on her body. That's the only bit of this story that keeps me fixated on an intruder, but I won't dismiss the evidence as being irrelevant just because it doesn't tie everything together neatly like an RDI/accidental death conclusion would.

I would really like to see this case solved, or I'd at least like for the mystery DNA to be sourced, even if that someone had nothing to do with her murder. In my mind, the case would be unofficially closed since the window of opportunity for a Ramsey conviction has been closed for a long time now.

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I just wanted to say I enjoyed your post because of its levelheadedness in this very polarizing case. I don't know who killed JonBenet but I have trouble getting past the ransom note. I do believe that the ransom note was just a ruse to cover up or buy time for the murder or murderer. The DNA findings are very interesting and would certainly point to someone outside the family and that's why the parents were "exhonerated".

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I was on one end of the house and my mom was on the other, it might be weird but that is the way it worked out.

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I think the "trolling" theory is not too far off and it seems many other people on other boards have obviously come to that conclusion.
Actually, I don't think she is trolling. After a brief look at her posting history and some of her other comments, i've reached the conclusion that she just isn't very bright. I can't believe anyone actually reported her posts though. Her dribble has been completely discredited by several people by now. I'd be amazed if anyone believed anything she said.

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This is a very complex case, hindered by the fact that basically all physical evidence that was obtained is essentially tainted because police were inexperienced in this specific crime and thus made several procedural errors. This is also one of the rarest of circumstances in which the District Attorneys Office and Police Department emphatically disagree over who the killer really was.

I truly don't know if the Ramseys are innocent or guilty. I've gone back and forth over the years on it and have firmly positioned myself as "on the fence". I can tell you that I am in law enforcement, within the state of Colorado, and I had the opportunity to speak to one of the lead FBI agents involved in the BTK case around the time John Mark Karr initially confessed to killing JonBenet. First, he stated that JMK would eventually be exposed as some crazy loon looking for publicity. Then he stated that every law enforcement agency that looked over the ransom note (including the FBI) concluded that Patsy Ramsey, in all likelihood, was the one who had written it and that it was written at the house after JonBenet had already been murdered, and was written to distract police from the murder and crime scene in (what ultimately turned out to be) the basement.

The latter part is significant to me, because it shows that whoever the killer was felt comfortable enough within the Ramsey home to stay within the house for (at least) several minutes without fear of being caught. It also shows that they were trying to lure police away from the basement, which could have been to explain away JonBenet's absence while also providing an opportunity to go back and cover up the crime scene.

So in the end, the ransom note is the most damning piece of evidence concluding the Ramseys (or at least Patsy Ramsey's guilt), while recent DNA evidence is the most crucial piece of evidence concluding their innocence. It's why this case will never be solved.

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But handwriting analysis said it wasn't her. There house was used for tours, it would have been VERY easy for someone to know the layout.

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But handwriting analysis said it wasn't her. There house was used for tours, it would have been VERY easy for someone to know the layout.


No. Handwriting analysts couldn't conclude or eliminate Patsy as the writer of the note.

Again, I go back to this. Why would someone break into their house, take Jon Benet downstairs into the basement, assault and murder her, and then stick around to right a very detailed, very specific ransom note?

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