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Who do you think was the best Ripley?


Patricia Highsmith's character of Tom Ripley has now been played by five VERY, VERY different actors:

By Alain Delon in "Purple Noon", by Dennis Hopper in "The American Friend", by Matt Damon in "The Talented Mr. Ripley", by John Malkovich in "Ripley's Game" and now by Barry Pepper in "Ripley Under Ground".

I've just finished reading my way through Highsmith's "Ripliad", but I've only had the opportunity to see two of the films, "The Talented Mr. Ripley" and "Ripley's Game"...

From watching those, I think that Malkovich was much more like the character as Highsmith wrote him in the books than Damon was.

"The Talented Mr. Ripley" script changed the character too much. In that film Ripley was this nervous, angsty, homosexual who commits a few impulsive crimes of passion and is forever wracked with guilt over his actions.

Malkovich was much more evil in "Ripley's Game"... a suave, cultured, confident heterosexual sociopath who thinks his crimes through meticulously and sees the people around him as mere pawns to be manipulated for his own sick amusement.

It's funny, but I find the character of Ripley more interesting and charismatic, the more evil he is. When Anthony Minghella tried to make him more sympathetic in "The Talented Mr. Ripley" - I liked him a lot LESS.

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I don't think Minghella tried to make Ripley a sympathetic character in "The talented..." I've read all Ripley's novels and it is a quite faithful adaptation. Even in the homosexual nature of Ripley, which is there if you read between lines.

The same goes with the "gap" between "The Talented.." and "Ripley's game". They have the same "problem" yopu mention, that both Ripleys are completely different characters. There's a novel in between, I think it is "Mask of Ripley, but it doesn't fully explain the evolution in its personality. Still, there are traces of the Ripley he used to be: In the film "Ripley's game", he asks his wife for anal sex, which she refuses to do, and later, in what probably is the only moment Ripley appears sans mask, when he speaks with the artisan in the bathroom of the train station, he mentions that once he was as naive and horrified with murder as he is at that moment. In the subsequent novels, Ripley also remembers his first murder, and he notes to himself how different his crimianl career has turned, since his first killing was both passional (which again, it is telling) and improvised.

About your main question, I cannot answer it. I have yet to see "Ripley's return", "The American friend" or the first adaptation of "The Talented...", a french film that features Alain Delon as Ripley. From what I have seen so far, nothwistanding Matt Damon's excellent work, I prefer Malkovich's Ripley. But again, tthat may be because, as you, I prefer the late Ripley to the young one.

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My opinion may not count for much as i can only comment on 'Talented' and 'Game', but i think Malkovich nailed Ripley perfectly. I think Damon did a valiant effort also, and had the character down just as well. But the difference in Ripley's character isn't so much down to the actors portrayal but the evolution and growth of the character. As a young man he was confused and at odds with his traits and the situations he found himself in, yet was resourceful enough to find his way out and cope with his actions. As years pass, subsequent encounters render him more blase about his behaviour. Partly because he realises what he is capable of, partly because he understands he can get away with what he does. Malkovich portrayed this arrogance and confidence perfectly. Damon didn't have it as it wasn't something Ripley had in his youth. With Ripley's sexuality, i don't see it for him as a matter of being gay or straight, i see it as Ripley admiring things of beauty and he doesn't differentiate between male and female in that regard. Possibly because his views are skewed by his other rationales. I could be wrong, and it could easily be a reflection on Highsmith's own sexuality. But i think the character of Ripley is a complex one. I would like to see a film bridging 'Talented' and 'Game' which explores Ripleys evolution, but i don't think 'Underground' is it.

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Why don't you think "Ripley Under Ground" is the movie to bridge the gap between "Talented Mr. Ripley" and "Ripley's Game"?

The book, "Ripley Under Ground", is second in Highsmith's Ripley chronology after all.

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The book, "Ripley Under Ground", is second in Highsmith's Ripley chronology after all.

True, but even the book didn't explain Ripley's evolution. I always felt there was a book missing between the first and second books. I mean at the end of the first novel he's on his way to Greece, I think, and then in the next book he has a trophy wife and is living in a small town in France. I think a good scriptwriter could fill in the gaps.

My favourite Ripley was Alain Delon in Plein Soleil/Purple Noon I thought he was amazingly ruthless and calculating. Matt Damon did a great job as well with a more human portrayal, I was hoping he would reprise the role in a sequel. For some reason I was disappointed with Malkovitch and I really didn't like Dennis Hopper in the part.
I've yet to see Under Ground, I like Barry Pepper as an actor but I just can't see him as Tom. And the director is a bit of hack isn't he?

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Admittedly, Roger Spottiswoode has made some lousy movies in his time... I'm not going to defend "Stop or My Mom Will Shoot" and "Turner & Hooch"... crap, both of em.

And although I found "Tomorrow Never Dies" and "The 6TH Day" entertaining, they aren't brilliant.

But before you totally write him off as a filmmaker, be sure to check out his brilliant, affecting war movie "Under Fire". According to IMDB he's working on a William Golding adaptation... so I wouldn't say he's totally beyond redemption.

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I wouldn't say he's totally beyond redemption.

I didn't mean to say he has never done anything interesting but very few of his films stood out when I looked at his filmography. I did like "Under Fire" and the TV movie "And The Band Played On" was an excellent adaptation.

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LOL @ oilgun. You didn't say "Spottiswoode's an unpredictable director--who's done some brilliant work & some crap". You DID say "the director is a bit of a hack".

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You got me there rogerscorpion, it's hard not to generalize sometimes. I should know better than to do that on these boards.

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Yeah--but sometimes a person's best work happened before you ever heard of that person. 'Under Fire', for instance, was a long time ago. I'd forgotten he directed that. I just remembered that Spottiswoode had done some VERY good work--@ some point. I'd have to look @ his filmography to see exactly, what, tho.
Peter Bogdanovich & William Friedkin--for instance. If you didn't look back over 30 years--you could forget they were brilliant filmmakers once. You can't tell by their recent work. Sometimes, artists just lose it & can't regain that spark.

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When you're talking about Roger Spottiswoode, don't forget about Air America, with Mel Gibson and Robert Downey Jr........I think that's his best film, somewhat ahead of Tomorrow Never Dies (which has flaws, but fits very well in the Bond series). As for Stop or My Mom Will Shoot? Well every director is entitled to a mulligan aren't they? Certainly 1941, The Frighteners, and White Squall didn't seem to hurt Speilberg, Jackson, and Ridley....and Stallone was a huge name at the time, and the temptation to make a Stallone comedy must have been pretty tempting.

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The Frighteners is awesome.

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There is no book called "The Mask of Ripley".
The first novel is "The talented Mr. Ripley", the 2nd is "Ripley Under Ground", the 3rd "Ripley's Game", the 4th "The Boy who followed Ripley" and the 5th (and only disappointing Ripley novel) is "Ripley Under Water".

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I couldn't disagree more. In the Ripliad, Tom Ripley - after the first book - is a very quiet, behind the scenes kinda guy trying to preserve his relative wealth and stay out of the limelight, including in Ripley's Game, the novel. John Malcovich's interpretation (and although he didn't direct, I believe he was a producer and helped pay for it, so, it's probably as much "his vision" as the directors) actually has Tom being a more overt crime lord . . . at least in the first few scenes. True, in this book, Tom is at his most deliberately manipulative state -- but, still, he's behind the scenes, careful not to make a splash.

Contrast that with the opening scenes of the movie where Tom blasts away at a potential client when an art deal goes bad. It seems at odds with the rest of the movie (and book) where the plot returns to the book somewhat, but there's still an attempt to capture Mingella's interpretation of Tom as a philosophising villian (his speech in the bathroom). In those two moments, the production seems to leave the book to capture the audience (those that want a more "action film" and those enamoured by TTMR, the movie). Too obvious. Since it was an earnest attempt to interpret Game, they should have stuck to the book.

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After seeing most of the above mentioned actors playing Ripley the one I picture in my head when reading the books is John Malkovich - he captures the essence of Ripley perfectly in my opinion.

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It is not often that a brilliant book turns into a brilliant film.

Sometimes a good adaptation is possible if the filmaker can realize what aspects of the book would not work in the film and then the result might be a film which is not as faithful to the book as readers would expect.

This is the case with "THE AMERICAN FRIEND" directed by Wim Wenders where Dennis Hopper is Tom Ripley. The film has the same story with Ripley's Game. However it is a fantastic film and Dennis Hopper is the perfect Ripley. I am really sorry to see that most of the people here have not had a chance to see this movie it shows how a talented director transformed a book to a new work of art.

The film is not faithful to the book but focuses on the Ripley Character so well, and Dennis Hopper expresses the weird morality of the character so efficiently. It just gives you this feeling of watching a guy who is doing all this imoral things but you can't help it but like him and feel that deep inside he has his own weird personal ethics.

As far as I know Patricia Highsmith was really upset with the result, since the film really changed some aspects of the book. But it doesn't bother me at all since it is a brilliant film it is absolutely legitimate. An adaptation should focus on becoming a good film not putting the book into pictures.

Watch the older films. They used to be much much better.

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Best filmed version of Ripley - "The American Friend"

Best character version of Ripley - tie between Alain Delon and Dennis Hopper

Best set design/cinematography for Ripley - "The Talented Mr. Ripley"

Damon was not very good as Ripley (even though he is an interesting actor). Of course, the director is to blame. Jude Law should have played the character.

Malkovich was good, but the premise was ludicrous. You never got the impression that he would fail or get caught.

Barry Pepper was good in 25th Hour, so he might be able to capture the role.

Depp is an interesting choice, but for now, I can't believe he would/could kill anyone in cold blood.

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Malkovich was awesome in Ripley's Game. He will forever be Ripley for me. I didn't dig Talented at all.

I am interested to see this one, though. What is it with Ripley movies that makes them not get a proper release?

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Now that I've seen all of the first four Ripley movies and I've reread a couple of the novels, my opinion has changed somewhat.

Before I had even read the novels, I had read an interview with Patricia Highsmith in which she denied that there was a homosexual subtext to the Ripley novels and said that Ripley was heterosexual. At the time, I was largely ignorant of Highsmith's background and the culture she grew up in... so I was inclined to take her on her word, and this clouded my reading of the books somewhat... it's why I wasn't really thinking of the homosexual subtext the first time I read the books. I see it now, and am more sceptical of Highsmith's comments about her own work in general.

Also, the second time I read the books I became more aware of the changes (some subtle and some huge) that occur to Ripley's character over the course of the books... and taking this into account, it makes sense that actors and filmmakers have interpreted the character in such radically different ways.

Ripley is a needy and insecure neurotic in the first book - and Matt Damon conveys this very well. The problem with Matt Damon's Ripley is not his lack of self-confidence, or even that writer/director Anthony Minghella has taken the homo-erotic subtext and made it explicit.... no, the problem is that "The Talented Mr. Ripley" makes Ripley less culpable... the first killing is committed by accident and in self defence, the subsequent ones in order to cover up the first.

However, this more sensitive Ripley is quite a compelling creation in it's own right... as is Dennis Hopper's befuddled, drugged-out cowboy portrayal. Hopper's Ripley is a lost and bewildered outsider, a walking anachronism... and it's not hard to imagine this washed out wanderer as the grown up version of Damon's Ripley.

John Malkovich does seem like such a pulpish, comic-book villain in comparison... but I find what his performance lacks in depth he makes up for with screen presence.

Alain Delon, despite being very good looking and very French, strikes me as the best Ripley so far... his performance is a nice, even mixture of geeky insecurity and cold, calculating malice... he tries to capture both sides of Ripley's character whereas the other actors lean heavily on one or the other.

It must be said, that all of the actors have brought something of their own personality to the role, and having seen Delon and Hopper in action, I'm more curious than ever to see what Barry Pepper does with the part in the upcoming "Ripley Under Ground".

So my verdict is:


BEST PORTRAYAL OF RIPLEY
Alain Delon in "Purple Noon"

MOST GOOD LOOKING AND GOOD SOUNDING RIPLEY FILM
"The Talented Mr. Ripley"
(cinematography, sets n' costumes are all awesome and the jazz coundtrack is finger clickin' good)

BEST WRITTEN RIPEY FILM
"Ripley's Game"
(sharp dialogue, full of quotable gems... and has the most focused narrative of them all... the others, especially "The American Friend" contain a lot more unneccessary scenes that don't further the plot or characters)

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Alain Delon -my first choice. Everything Ripley
John Malkovich -very, very good. Made Ripley more callous, wacko
Dennis Hopper -an almost unrecognizable Ripley
Matt Demon - no comment

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Pepper will do with this role. It's a hard act to follow.

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Best Ripley--Alain Delon. No Contest.

I remember finding "American Friend" very confusing when I saw it long ago. I think I should give it another shot--to be honest didn't even remember it WAS a Ripley movie. (My bad.)

Liked Malkovich pretty well, but felt he was a bit too old, and not attractive enough. (Sorry, just my personal opinion.)

Matt Damon--I don't get him at all, in anything, ever. Thought he was okay in "The Departed" because you are supposed to despise him, and I always do. Really he is such a bland, little Joe "All American" Squarejaw type--absolutely nothing interesting about him as an actor. Dullsville.

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I think that Barry Pepper gave a very good and underrated Ripley performance.

My personal ranking:

1. Alain Delon (even Miss Highsmith herself praised him)
2. Barry Pepper
3. Matt Damon
4. Dennis Hopper
5. John Malkovich

I'd love to see Tom Cruise as Tom Ripley.


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Alain Delon.


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I totally agree, Alain Delon was the best Tom Ripley. Highsmith even said in an interview that he was her favorite movie screen Ripley.

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