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Realism of this movie


As I was watching this movie, some of it seemed kinda corny and unrealistic. For instance, the whole culture of young college kids making up all of the employees of the corporation, which they make out to be some elite club. Also, the thing about the boss playing daddy to his employees - like the scene where the boss catches Milo on the computer looking up secret files, he says something to the effect of, "I know what you're up to. She's a beautiful girl, but I hope you don't let that interfere with your work." It made him sound like a father talking to his 16-year-old son whose hormones are raging. Things like that seemed a bit unrealistic. Did anyone else feel the same way?

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Eh, you may be right about these points, but you have the give Antitrust major props for actually portraying computers somewhat accurately. I really can't stand movies where a computer flashes a huge colorful box flashing "Enter Password" or something to that effect (movies like Swordfish, Hackers, or Mission Impossible come to mind).

In this movie, computer screens look like computer screens, often displaying normal stuff in MacOS. Also, this movie doesn't assume the audience is computer-retarded and doesn't overexplain excruciatingly basic computer jargon.

So, my hat's off to the makers of Antitrust for doing the computer-movie genre properly.

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That's true, they did do a good job of portraying computers accurately.

Another thing I think that was a little bit unrealistic, though, was that their portrayal of open source vs. proprietary seemed a bit overly dramatic. The group of college kids seemed to believe in it with an unrealistic passion.. But maybe that was what they intended, to bring the issue out to more people who ordinarily wouldn't have known about it. As a software engineer myself, I belive that open-source software benefits people, but at the same time, software engineers still have to make a living, too. :) Which means getting paid..

Also, they seemed to make obvious comparisons between their fictional company Nurv and Microsoft, although I thought Tim Robbins as the CEO of Nurv looked a little more like Peter Norton than Bill Gates. Maybe a cross between the two.

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I think the exaggeration of the pro-open source theme was indeed intended for the folks who aren't quite as involved in the computer world. Though I do think the Tim Robbins character did a good job of addressing the cons of open source to Milo in the one scene. And the Bill Gates similarities, probably intentional. The film makers needed to give non-techies something they could sink their teeth into. And who the hell doesn't know who Bill Gates is?

But yeah, it'd be funny if they made a short film sequel to this movie, showing the kids getting evicted from their garage because they're not making any money on Synapse.

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I also liked the fact that they used real operating systems (some Linux distro).
One thing, however, bugged me a bit and that was the use of Java as the programming language for the Synapse system.
For the embedded systems, such as the mobile phone shown in the commercial, it would be a logical choice but Milo was working on a part of the server application.
Also, the source code Milo was working on seemed to be a http-server app.
However, the commands Milo typed at the bash shell in the daycare center where pretty realistic so overall they did a pretty good job, imho.

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"As a software engineer myself, I belive that open-source software benefits people, but at the same time, software engineers still have to make a living, too. :) Which means getting paid.. "

Thank God somebody finally has a brain and understands that. There's people like us that still need to make a living, unlike the average hobbyist or high-schooler with too much free time on their hands that think all "proprietary" software is evil.

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Then again, open-sourcing software past their end-of-life (or at least offering the bloody thing free of charge) would be highly beneficial to the IT community as a whole - there are a lot of people using really old systems, unable to upgrade to a newer one because of some unique feature of the system. Open-sourcing old software would at least provide a starting point for making a new, compatible system, which runs on modern hardware.

Sometimes it's nice to have the source for things like that. And usually you just get pissed because of some uptight management thinking they'll somehow make more money off a dead product by making sure it slowly fades into oblivion...

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That part about the college kids believing in the open-source movement with "unrealistic" passion is not far fetched at all. You may not have met them but I have met a lot of folks like that, who do believe there's no way you can compromise the open-source movement even to make a living!

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Anyone who has spent any time over at slashdot will see that there are very fervent Open Source elements who literally live the words of Stallman.

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I liked the movie, but I must say that I agree. This movie tries to be realistic, but tends to push it a little. I really hated all the geek-talk. Like in the beginning when Milo and Teddy are at school working and they write some code and say: "We are geeks." But then again, I kind of understand why they do it like that. It's something they need to point out to the rest of the audience. Seems like it's another computermovie made for a mainstream audience. However it is more realistic than a lot of other computer movies like The Net(which is laughable).

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haha yea

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I think this was the only "computer" movie, ever, where I didn't laugh my butt off from the first 5 minutes. A lot of things were pretty good.

To the person who commented that the age mix of employees was unrealistic. Well, I live and work in Silicon Valley and I have worked in companies like that. For some reason, those companies never made it. Go Figure.

In reality, successful companies need a mix of ages and life experiences to be successful. No matter how smart or "genius" someone may be, experience and skills tend to trump those qualities eventually. Plus not everyone in the company can be a superstar. Some people have to do the grunt work and unfun work. Making money and having a successful company is not all tickles and giggles. Not all puzzle tables, humongous offices and high end office furniture and decorations.

Life is never fair, and perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not.

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That scene where Robbins catching Phillippe on the computer during the party rung false to me as well. It didn't make sense for him at that point to be mentioning the girl. She had nothing to do with what was going on at the moment and it didn't really make sense.

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For people puzzled by the remarks Robbins makes to Phillipe at the party ("She's a beautiful girl/don't get distracted"), from what I hear his character and Rachael Leigh Cook had a much more involved affair scripted in the original story, but this was cut, I guess for reasons of time. Shame, Milo being betrayed multiple times by people he had close relationships with would have been much better, still a good film though

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Lot's of realistic stuff here, lots of not so realistic stuff. I've also worked in high tech, including at Microsoft.

Realistic:
* The campus environment, being part of something bigger than yourself, helping change the world and make it a better place (in the positive sense, which is the way the film started)
* Gary's speech to the troups sounds a lot like stuff Job's did for the Mac; he created a cult around that project
* The age of the team--that happened a lot early in the PC world. It was the case in many groups at Microsoft in the late 80's early 90's. Now it isn't.
* Real code, correct use of technical terms for the most part.

Goofs / unrealistic
* Most of the code was C, but they compiled it as Java; other stuff like that
* The code had nothing to do with telecom, networking or compression. Boring stuff really.
* Treating a college grad as a critical hire. There are certainly great kids that tech companies want to hire out of college, but it is for their potential, not their current skills. New grads aren't contributing like Phillipe was. People are hired that can do those things, but they have a lot more experience and are not nearly as green in being courted.
* Looking at a few lines of code and saying "yeah that's great". What really happens is that people look at innovative algorithms, which end up getting coded
* That you could take a snippet of code from some kid in a garage and apply it to a project like that
* Accessing and controlling satellites via IP on a public network
* That giving out the synapse code would be a big competitive advantage; it is the combination of the hardware, global network, service center and software that makes it valuable, not just the software. Without the other things it isn't nearly as interesting. That made the whole open source angle pretty stupid. The people were great and the code was innovative, but not useful alone.

The tech was good enough for a movie of this sort. What spoiled it for me was the last item. Of course the whole evil genius thing was dumb too, but the movie created real tension and I liked that.

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Apart from the OS look and code...they actually used a MOUSE! I hate it when you see someone in a movie just typing continuously.

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Re the last point - wasn't the missing piece of the code to compress data on the network (some new IP protocol) rather than on the device? I forget the quote of the guy in the garage the boss repeats, but this was the "innovative idea." A new more efficient network protocol could be a huge competitive advantage on its own.

Liked your point on "looking at a few lines of code and saying "yeah that's great" - maybe he liked the variable naming conventions...

Good film. Missed why they couldn't switch off the satellite at the end as quickly as the other though.

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Let's see, the movie has a lot of "realistic" messages in it. The fact that the boss, Gary, brainwashed Milo into joining his company is quite usual in reality. The bosses when get a new employee to the company, tend to be their friend, only for the sole reason of owning their ideas.

The other realistic fact: that we live in a controlled world, in which we are just the puppets, as the movie inquired. Who knows if there're tiny cameras on any of your furniture, spying on every single move you do?

Another realistic item is: the movie itself supports communism ("all the information belongs to the world"), and contrast capitalism ("You're a one or a cero")...

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The realism of the movie is indeed questionable.

I've worked as a software dev for about 10 years now but I've never experienced or heard of any CEO get in touch with their hotshot programmers in such a personal way.

I also find it remarkable that a guy like the NURV boss is supposed to still have so much technical background on what's actually going on in development that he can recommend the use of certain source code fragments to his programmers. That's unrealistic.
Most CEO's, even if they once started out in development, have lost contact to recent technology by the time their companies have grown into worldwide operating corporations.

What's also cheesy is that once the guy gets shown some new pirated code from his boss, he instantaneously marvels at it, immediately seeing its "beauty".
Cmon. Most complex software needs quite a while of analysis in order to find out if it is really suited for a certain requirement and if it is really well written in terms of performance and bug-freeness. Just casting a quick glance at it and then judging is just unrealistic, even for a hotshot person.

Corporations working with dirty tricks is rightfully accused in this movie. Go figure.

But other than that, software is a business like any other. Making money from software and protecting valuable in-house innovation by disclosing the source code is perfectly ok with me. It pays my bills, after all.

The emphasis on Open Source and the protagonists being portayed as some kind of software Robin Hoods is just sickening. This guy Teddy (ugh!) was extremely annoying in that regard. I was glad he disappeared soon in the movie (although I'd certainly wished it had not been by getting killed).

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Firstly there is such a thing as suspension of disbelief where films are concerned.

I have worked in IT for a long time too (21 years), and when I'm watching a fictional film for entertainment there is no way I want to watch someone studying code for 5 minutes (this is kind of like in movies no one shuts and locks car doors after them, or goes to the toilet/bathroom halfway through a scene).

Secondly you need to get over you're prejudices to Open Source.

Open source programmers don't all work for "free" and the one's that do write good software get more than enough paid work back on consultancy, I know a number of developers who work this way, and they make good money.

I went to a lecture given by Eric Raymond a while back where he stated that the average open source project programmer is professionally employed as a programmer during the day, and typically writes for OSS projects during their spare time (to satisfy creative needs to do something different rather than yet another stock control system, or invoicing module), or specifically as an "advertisement" of their abilities.

I'm not saying there's no place for proprietary software, but it's not the be all of development and it offers well known benefits in having large numbers of people reviewing and suggesting improvements/bug fixes to code, which is important for some types of software (what would you rather run for an Internet facing HTTP server IIS or Apache?).

Let me guess you work exclusively on Windows environments don't you?, UNIX guys usually get this.

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it's better than 'the social network'.



Where there's smoke, there's barbecue!

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Let me guess you work exclusively on Windows environments don't you?, UNIX guys usually get this.


Oooh...he doesn't "get it", right? Oooh...he must be pro-Microsoft, evil people who dare to make money from writing codes!!! How dare they!!! Only "UNIX guys" get it, guys!!!!! Roar![sarcasm]

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