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Maybe I'm just an old romantic at heart...


But I REALLY wish that Cynthia and Mr. Preston had ended up together. Am I crazy? Am I the only one who thinks this?






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How can you think that, he is not only really unattractive but also has a horrible character. How could you want Cynthia to end up with somone who she clearly wouldnt be happy with??

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Mr. Preston did not have a horrible character. Cynthia really made him that way. Years on years of waiting for her only to have her turn on him. I also don't think what he looks like should play into it. That would just make Cynthia appear to be even more shallow. Mr. Preston, at the end of the day, actually is a lot nicer than Cynthia. Can you honestly think she's going to be happy with the man she married? She married some man she can bully around. I think the directors wanted to show how much she is like her mother in that respect.

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MR preston bullied and abused her innocence making her promise something she couldnt not possible have understode. He knew that she was indebt to him over money and so he used this 'power' he had gained over to make her promise to marry him. Then later on he had no respect for her feelings. She told him that she didnt love him and couldnt love him and was willing to give him the money but he bullied her still because of his own selfishness! Do you really call that a good deed??!!

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Cynthia is the FURTHEST thing from innocent. She knew what she was doing. She played Mr. Preston like a $2 fiddle. On top of that she involved Molly, who had absolutely nothing to do with it in the first place. He did release her of any obligation and it is my belief that is not the act of a mean person. If he were truly "bad" he wouldn't have stopped. It was pretty much established by everyone else that she really screwed him over. Lady Cumnor even says, "She has behaved abominably to Mr Preston..." After what she did to Mr. Preston, Roger and Mr. Cox how can you think she's a good person? Did she have it coming from Mr. Preston? No. Did she deserve it? No. I just don't think that Mr. Preston did it maliciously. He's not a villain either. He's more of an anti-hero.

**shrug** Oh well...I guess I'm just into unconventional romances.

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Thats REDUCULOUS. Mr Preston is a cruel and horrible man. He gave Cynthia a large sum of money, it was not the equivilant of $2 but rather about $2000. You seem to have missed the whole point of that plot. Cynthia was wrongly used and her reputation destroyed by this man. She did everything in her power to protect her and Molly but as a women she couldnt do much. Her wishes were abused. She had nothing to protect herself and Mr preston used her vonerability against her!

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Missed the plot? What is there to miss?! Everyone interprets the plot however they want to. As for her reputation being destroyed...not likely. She did that pretty much herself. She did NOTHING to protect Molly. She put her in the line of fire so she could get away unscathed. Cynthia is not much better. As for her "wishes" being abused...seriously? Preston was trying to claim what she promised. HIS wishes were being abused.

All right. We'll just have to agree to disagree because obviously neither one of us is going to move on this.

By the way, it's "ridiculous" and "vulnerable".

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Remember that Cynthia was only 15 when an adult man like Mr. Preston coerced her into making that promise.

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I haven't read the whole of this thread, but just to put in my two cents....

I think one of the beauty's of W&Ds is the shades of grey with the characters. Cynthia and Preston are brilliantly written. In any other story, Mr Preston would have been an out-and-out villain, while Cynthia would have been a complete petty selfish brat. (And Osborne would've been the evil brother) Instead, while Mr Preston is clearly the one in the wrong, neither is he the utter beast he could be. And while Cynthia is shallow and often selfish, she's a stunning character in that she knows these failings about herself, and tries her best where possible to be that bit better, especially after Molly's influence. And it's to the brilliance of Gaskell's writing that Molly doesn't come over as an uninteresting 'perfect' character in the midst of all the others.

So while I don't think Cynthia should've ended up with the horrible man that was Mr Preston, it's to the story's credit that he isn't the obvious caricature beast that he could've easily been.

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That is a really brilliant and well-said reply, wdlee. And it makes me respect the writing even more. I think you're right.

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I dont think mr Preston has a bad character.He loved her and waited for her (if we believe his sayings). In fact I liked Preston at the very end.He is a strong, determined and loyal person even though he is not very agreeable. I havent read the book though.

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Whilst I think Cynthia is quite happily off with Mr Henderson, I think I do feel a little sorry for Mr Preston. Mind, I'm not defending completely his later conduct towards Cynthia, but, as Molly herself said, 'I think he really does love you, in his way', and also, 'He's not as bad as I thought', when he returns the letters.

I don't think you have 'missed the plot', Phantom. And, yes, Hubbububbu, his wish for, in his words, 'revenge', was ungentlemanly of him, and it was a mistake at least to try to hold on to a foolish promise made by a girl of fifteen in a moment of gratitude - and made by Cynthia at that.

Again, I will stress that I neither blame nor side with either of them in this. I don't think there's any doubting that Mrs Gaskell did indeed mean to show that Cynthia is Hyacinth's daughter after all; equally, Mr Preston was initially prompted by the best of wills, however ill-guided, and was, I think, driven to desperation by rejection. He did do the right thing in the end.


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LaanChao, thank you. I could not have put it better. Wonderful analysis!

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I agree with you, Phantom. I never liked Cynthia and thought it would serve her right if she ended up with someone with a touch of cruelty like Preston. They'd have that in common. After all, they both know how to use and exploit people...I also wondered if Cynthia wouldn't just marry Preston to spite her mother (who obviously was seriously infatuated with Preston).
I also thought it would be one time where Cynthia would have to keep her word.
But in the end, they bring in this new guy, Henderson, and she's off with him. Perhaps that device worked well in the novel, but I wanted Cynthia and Preston to be forced to marry (perhaps if they were discovered together in a compromising position).
Cynthia deserves the worst and there Preston is!
Other than that, I thought this was a wonderful series. I love Anthony Howell from "Foyle's War." He plays such kind, sensitive, overlooked men.

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I like the way Gaskell marries Cynthia to Mr. Henderson, as it is adds to Cynthia's development (as a character) by showing that she ends up married to a man who's really only looking for a pretty wife (arm candy) and doesn't really care about her character! (or lack thereof).

But Mr. Preston is not without negative qualities, either. How very ungentlemanly, to make an offer to a young lady who is only 15 years old. And one whom he knows to be sans father-figure, and stuck with a mother whom does not look after her daughter properly. Mr. Preston should have gone to Cynthia's family. That would have been the proper form. He could have sought out her nearest male relative, or even spoken to her mother. He agrees to keep his engagement a secret because he knows that Cynthia won't agree to it otherwise. This is not the behaviour of a gentleman.

Further, the only reason, IMO, why Preston returns Cynthia's letters is because he knows that Molly will tell Lady Harriet, who in turn, will tell Lord Cumnor. Preston doesn't want his boss to find out about his ungentlemanly behaviour, so he acquiesces. Besides, at this point, even Preston realizes that there is no longer any hope of ever getting Cynthia to marry him. So he concentrates his efforts on revenge -- on Molly as well as Cynthia.

How utterly horrible of him to go out of his way to give the appearance of a secret tryst between him and Molly to Mr. Sheepshanks, when he comes upon them in the park. He even says as much to Mr. Sheepshanks, fully knowing what a gossip that man is, and that he associates with other town gossips! Again, these are not the acts of a gentleman.

I have no quibble with acknowledging Cynthia's many faults. As Lady Cumnor herself points out, Cynthia uses Mr. Preston wrongly, then uses Molly wrongly, too. I'm not sure that I can accuse Cynthia, though, at the tender age of 15, of being a heartless user/manipulator of men -- although, it is clear that she does do this later on. IMO, Preston did take advantage of her naivete when she was 15.

Back to Cynthia's bad qualities--
I think that Cynthia and her mother are very much alike. They both are very self-absorbed; they both need to be the center of attention. However, unlike her mother, Cynthia is able to feel some compassion for other people (albeit very little, indeed!). Hyacinth can only ever see a situation from the perspective of how it affects her. She has no empathy or sympathy for the pains and problems of others (everything is always all about her!)

Cynthia, by contrast, has some ability to go beyond her selfishness. For example, she is able to see the wrong in her mother's thinking when Hyacinth speaks about how, if Osborne died, Roger would become the heir of Hamley Hall. And she speaks up about it.

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How very well you expressed my similar opinions in that post randommovies2002.

I was so distraught for the week between ep 3 and 4 when i realised what horrid mr p was going to do to poor molly. that's what makes him cruel. and also the way that he can't see beyond cynthia as a beautiful and intoxicating posession, sometihng owed to him. he almost sees her as a wild horse to be tamed. whether she is deserving of him or not, she is a person and he wants to force into becoming property.

however, i always felt sometihng was bubbling under the surface between him and lady h. i would be fine with that pairing, even though i like her and think she's really great in re-establishing molly in the town. because she obv has some magnetism towards him, from the first meeting of both of them at the wedding procession, sometihng is going on. but unlike cynthia she is not self absorbed, so she is therefore not a victim and lady h could go her ten rounds with mr p and enjoy it as an equal. lady h is lonely because she is too intelligent for her surroundings, only her scientist brother is her match and he's mostly from home while she's knocking about the mansion with a stepmother she doesn't like. far better to rnjoy that possibiility with preston.

cynthia needs someone to adore her, lady harriet needs someone to understand her, preston needs someone to fight with (most overtly sexual character, cynthia second but she adn her mother are firstly political) and roger and molly need someone to love. bless

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Gorgeous remarks, lizzie! I myself don't know if there was anything bubbling beneath the surface for h and mr. p, but it is an interesting thought. I think ... that harriet may have been physically and intellectually attracted to him, however she 'saw straight through him' so-to-speak. He couldn't pull one over on her, and both of them knew it. She understood his game rather well, and disdained it. The battle of wits may have been stimulating, but his character was so completely below her she wouldn't be gulled.

Although I sort-of just made that up on the spot. What do you think?

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I think that he really did love her! She treated him badly and probably would treat any husband she had badly, so maybe he got lucky! I think that he was hurt by her rejection though. And, I did think that they would end up together!
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I didn't really want Preston and Cynthia to end up together since neither would have made each other happy. I agree with the other poster who said that Preston is not all-out evil...he's more of the anti-hero. He's not your typical straight-laced guy who saves the day, but he does after he cools down, do the right thing. He's driven by his passions. First it was passion for Cynthia, then it was the desire to exact vengeance for the way she toyed around with him. Neither was appropriate, but at least, he realized his mistake in the end and eventually did the right thing.

Cynthia for all her denials, obviously also had strong feelings for Mr.Preston. Her real issue with him is that he wasn't wealthy. She tells this to Molly the first time she confides to her about Mr.Preston (with alot of denials of course). In the end, she stays true to her nature and chooses to marry a man for his money. A man who is also most likely, will act as her lapdog to do her every bidding. The opposite of Preston.

If Preston and Cynthia had married, I doubt very much if they would have gotten along very well. Cynthia with her attention-seeking ways would have frustrated the controlling and dominant Preston.

BTW, I am commenting from the perspective of someone who has not read the book. I've only watched the mini. I enjoyed the mini alot. I have to say though, the Cynthia character annoyed me to no end...especially how she put Molly in a compromising position. Urgh.






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Don't forget that the issue of class was also involved--even if Cynthia really didn't have any ... but anyway. Preston wasn't really considered a "gentleman" because he was gentlefolk. He was a sort of foreman or overseer. He wasn't poor but I don't think he was considered in Cynthia's social class. Of course, she would have never married him. It would have brought her down too much socially! Can't have that!

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I don't think the term "having class" is an irrelevant American term, as you put it. The poster was just making a play on words. Cynthia is in a higher social class than Preston, yet neither of them have class ... meaning that they both treated people disrespectfully. They behaved in lowly ways.

Preston was really rude to the squire, and he had the nerve to string a mother and her 15-year-old daughter along romantically. Cynthia strung Preston along instead of forcefully breaking it off the first moment she fell out of love. She flirted shamelessly with at least 2 or 3 other men while "engaged" to Roger. She was also really unappreciative to Molly, whom she dumped all her tangled love troubles upon.

I personally don't like the Preston subplot at all. I think it's kind of pointless. It only made me dislike Cynthia, after I initially liked her for loving Molly so well. Then, just as it was getting interesting, Preston abruptly sends all the letters back and he is never to be heard from again. Cynthia is now free to marry Roger or Henderson, whomever she chooses.

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No, the point is that the term "having class" and the term "social class" are two completely separate things. I did not say that people of a lower social class behave in lowly ways. That is not what I meant at all. I meant that Cynthia and Preston both behave badly, regardless of their status in society.

I don't think I was being absurd at all. I have a valid opinion. Cynthia has a backbone, doesn't she? She's not a pushover. She once loved Preston, and now she doesn't. Yes, she tried to break it off and return his money. But why did she dance with him at that ball, after throwing his bouquet away? Talk about mixed signals.

If it was hardly an engagement as you say, it would have been even easier for her to end it. He's got her love letters as blackmail, but who will force a woman to marry a man she loathes simply based on a bunch of notes she wrote as a silly, young, naive 15-year-old imposed upon by him? Who would do something like that? I just can't see that he has any real hold over her. That's my point about the Preston story.

However, having Preston in the plot made the character of Molly even better. She has loyalty and integrity, two qualities I don't see in Cynthia.

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Upon watching this mini, I thought that C was just playing hard-to-get with Mr. P, and I was hoping that C would later learn to love Mr. P and end up marrying him (only cuz I felt sorry for him, the anti-hero). Boy was I wrong!

Thanks to the previous posters explanations, I realize that it was for the best that she didn't marry Mr. P afterall. For had they married, their marriage would be the most volatile and destructive marriage of all, neither would be happy with the other. Their relationship is purely based on lust, not love. Mr. P would most likely sexually abuse C, and then end up cheating on her. This is the sort of thing I think Mrs. Gaskell wanted to avoid for all her female characters, be they deserving of it or not.

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No, hah I caught that little look between them at the end. They deserve each other, she's a woman who can take care of herself and he's a cad who'll have to change his ways b/c I dare say his usual tricks won't cut it with her. lol There could be whole new spinoff miniseries.

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You posted this more than five years ago, Squeeth. have you since read the novel? Some of the points you discuss are addressed in Gaskell's narrative, and I think you'd really appreciate the introduction to the Penguin edition by Pam Morris.

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I was agreeing with someone somewhere in this thread, about Lady Harriet and Mr. Preston. For some reason my reply didn't appear immediately after their's so it did seem confusing didn't it?

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I love this subplot and wish that they had gone into it a little deeper. Just when its starting to get interesting he just gives back the letters and buggers off. I think he really did love Cynthia. I think Cynthia's real problem was that she doesn't know what she wants for herself. If you listen to her talk she might as well just be sayin "i dont know...i dont know" all the time. She is so changeable! I think she just needed something new and in fashion and in style all the time. like a modern girl updates her cell phone every couple of months, cynthia updates her men. You see how she starts with Mr. Preston..gets bored with him...Roger, gets bored with him, Mr Cox a bit of fun, but bored with him... Mr Henderson i reckon will last a year at most. She loved Preston when she was 15 but go bored with him very quickly and thats why she wanted out.

While, by modern standards, Mr Preston is acting the perve, proposing to a 15 year old, that wasnt quite so uncommon then. Judging by what people say of him, his history (being a lady's man and all that) for him to wait for Cynthia for 5 years i think proves a lot of good in his character. He is a very strong willed man who has taken a chance on what he loves, and in result a naive girl has toyed with his emotions. I think when he sez he wants revenge, he is just annoyed at finally realizing his own foolishness in letting himself get carried away. He is angry at himself, not so much at Cynthia.

I would have loved to see a romance between him and lay Harriet. They are obviously equal matches in will power and strength of character.

Well those are my ramblings. I very much liked the character of Mr Preston, found him very interesting and sympathetic. I wish there was more of him.

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I also find myself sympathizing with Mr. Preston. I came onto this board a while back, commenting that I disliked Cynthia, and got flamed enormously for it by an apparent Cynthia worshipper. Yes, it could be argued that Cynthia as a girl of 15 was manipulated and persuaded into an engagement. BUT that doesn't excuse her from hiding the engagement instead of trying to come clean, then engaging herself to Roger, then flirting with Mr. Cox, then flirting with Mr. Henderson.

But I think Mr. Preston really did love Cynthia, no matter how much he was wrong to try and pressure a 15-year-old into a promise she eventually no longer wanted to keep. He was stubborn because he loved her, however much he thought it was for revenge. He's not the most admirable character, but his feelings were a lot truer than Cynthia, who hardly knew what she herself felt most of the time and was incredibly ungrateful to Molly, who bore the brunt of gossip and shame to hide her secret.

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I feel some sympathy for Preston, too. His trying to pressure and blackmail Cynthia to the altar is certainly wrong, but a large part of why people disliked him was simply that he was intelligent and ambitious -- a social climber. He was trying to better himself in a world which disapproved of such behavior. I also agree that he had genuine feelings for Cynthia. Why would he have stuck to the engagement for so long? He could have married some girl with a sizeable dowry in the interim, which would have aided him in his social ambitions.

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I totally agree with what you said. Preston is also an injured party. What I can't forgive, though, is the way he deliberately exposes Molly to being gossiped about by setting out to make it appear that something improper was going on between them.

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