The One true Faith? How offensive!
The Spanish inquisition was nessasary? Even though it goes against the very doctrine of Christianity and the Ten Commandments? They killed and murdered and tortured people you insane woman and all in the name of the Catholic faith.
It was Nazism of the first order but then looking at the way your church is run and how it's followers are oppressed and their free will strangulated, then I have to say there is not much to chose between them.
Even as late as 1936, when Mussolini invaded Abysynia with the sole intention of butchery and murder against it's non catholic, unarmed, black inhabitants, the Catholic church blessed their mission. It is Hypocracy unlike any other, and actions I'm sure Christ would retreat in disgust from.
As a protestant my basic religion is the same as yours, we are Christians who beleive in the teachings of Jesus Christ, and live our lives on the message of hope, love, mercy and peace he gave us.
The only difference between us, is we have the freedom and enough sense of free will to interprete what He said for ourselves, instead of some other papal authority telling it to us as if we were too thick to understand it. You are a slave to your religion just like the Jews were to the Nazis. You do not have the right to question your beleif even with good intentions, you do not have the right to sin. You havn't even go the right to feel your religion in your heart for yourself. Anything you beleive in you are TOLD and ORDERED to beleive in, and the devil take you if you don't.
Whats the point on having a Lord who forgives, if we never do anything to be forgiven for? Human beings are not perfect or infallable, and we do, do things wrong, but it seems your religion even denies you a basic thing as human error. Whats the point of having a Lord who teaches, if were not allowed to ask questions in order to understand better? Why do have a Bible which is the biggest selling book in history, if only Popes and Cardinals have the right to read it and express their opinions? They have to tell you what it means? Can't you form your own opinions? When you read a detective novel or a romance novel, do you need someone else to explain it to you? No! So why do it with the Bible?
Your slaves face it. And in all truth, when Jesus roamed the earth, he recruited followers NOT slaves. Beleivers NOT subordinates.
And another couple of points worth mentioning. Why does the Catholic church constantly 'tap' their beleivers out of their money, to such an extent that you have fine gold encrusted churches around the world, yet the people who attend them and give what they can ill afford each week, live in abject sqaulour and poverty outside the church gates? Surely if the Catholic church, cares for their 'sheep' then some food on their table would be the best way to help them, not another gold chalice for your already overflowing alter tables.
Jesus was a carpenter for crying out loud, do you think he had a gold chalice on the night of the last supper? I don't think so do you? Use a paper cup for communion and save the money for the poor. Thats more of a Christian 'Love thy neighbour' attitude, do you not think?
And why, Oh why, does your church allow girls as young as eight in Africa, to give birth to babies born from rape, instead of giving them the right to terminate. It is such a cruel and terrible thing you force them to endure. As if the poor things havn't endured enough already. In this case and others like them with regards to HIV and contraception etc, the Catholic church have been guilty of the worst human rights violations in recent years.
God forbid it never happens, but imagine it was your child tramatised by rape and forced to carry a rapist's child at such an early age, wouldn't you want to help her as much as you can, to end her suffering and bring stability and peace into her life once more? Imagine it was your child who contracted HIV from unprotected sex. Would you then start to question your oppresive church and its out of date doctrine?
The world has changed but the Catholic church has not changed with it. It is as oppresive and cruel as it always was. And I never thought I would say that about any relgion where Jesus Christ was the centre. I beleive in Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Bible. I cannot accept that these acts of such unquestionable evil are how He intended His Church to behave.
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didishroom
18 years ago
"Even though it goes against the very doctrine of Christianity and the Ten Commandments?"
Except that Moses had people killed for disobeying God once and Jesus said He came not to destroy the Law but to fullfill it. Not once does Jesus condemn capital punishment.
"It was Nazism of the first order but then looking at the way your church is run and how it's followers are oppressed and their free will strangulated, then I have to say there is not much to chose between them."
Do you have any clue as to what you are talking about? How are Catholics oppressed? Do you think we have a Catholic gustapo checking our houses? Not even the Spanish Inquisition was that bad. If you actually read about it you would discover that there are records of people lying about heresy so their case could be brought before the Inquisition, so they were guaranteed a fair trial. There were also two priests who openly condemned the bishops for the luxury they lived in, but the two were never brought before the Inquisition. Why? Because they weren't preaching heresy. So they could bad-mouth the Church all they wanted as long as they didn't condemn dogma.
I bet you also didn't know that the Inquisition killed 2,000 people in over 200 years, while the French Revolution killed 40,000 in a matter of months.
"Even as late as 1936, when Mussolini invaded Abysynia with the sole intention of butchery and murder against it's non catholic, unarmed, black inhabitants, the Catholic church blessed their mission."
Are you on crack? The Church condemn Mussolini and I believed even excommunicated him.
"is we have the freedom and enough sense of free will to interprete what He said for ourselves, instead of some other papal authority telling it to us as if we were too thick to understand it."
Except that every single one of you has a different idea of what the Bible says. Unlike the Catholics who believe the same thing. If your view is correct than why did Jesus bother preaching or ordaining the Apostles? Why not hand out the Bible and let everyone have fun with it? If believing what the pope says is true is slavery, than the same goes for listening to the Bible.
"You do not have the right to question your beleif even with good intentions, you do not have the right to sin. You havn't even go the right to feel your religion in your heart for yourself. Anything you beleive in you are TOLD and ORDERED to beleive in, and the devil take you if you don't."
"If anyone preach to you a Gospel other than what we have preached, let him be anethema." Gal. 1-8.
"If he will not hear the Church let him be unto thee a heathan and a publican". Matt. 18-17.
"Obey those that have rule over you, and submit yourselves" Heb. 13.
"And whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". Matt. 16.
"Whats the point on having a Lord who forgives, if we never do anything to be forgiven for? Human beings are not perfect or infallable, and we do, do things wrong, but it seems your religion even denies you a basic thing as human error. Whats the point of having a Lord who teaches, if were not allowed to ask questions in order to understand better?"
So you are saying because Jesus died for our sins we should commit sins so it makes it more worth it for Him? If so you are deranged too think we should sin. The Church never said that 'if you listen to us you won't sin'. The Church teaches that all men have been born with sin and will commit sins. The saints were all sinners.
"Why do have a Bible which is the biggest selling book in history, if only Popes and Cardinals have the right to read it and express their opinions? They have to tell you what it means? Can't you form your own opinions? When you read a detective novel or a romance novel, do you need someone else to explain it to you? No! So why do it with the Bible?"
There are no opinions about the Truth. If its all up for us than why did God give us the 10 commandments or tell us to be good? Why did He preach certain Truths?
"Why does the Catholic church constantly 'tap' their beleivers out of their money, to such an extent that you have fine gold encrusted churches around the world, yet the people who attend them and give what they can ill afford each week, live in abject sqaulour and poverty outside the church gates? Surely if the Catholic church, cares for their 'sheep' then some food on their table would be the best way to help them, not another gold chalice for your already overflowing alter tables."
The Church obtained the money for these riches because many clergy owned land. they weren't 'tapping' people for their money. If you had half a brain and learned about Catholicism, that there are thousands of saints who gave all to the poor. There are religious orders that were created specifically to help the poor. Some of these orders weren't even allowed to own shoes. I can give you thousands examples of popes, clergy, and Catholic laity devoting themselves to the poor.And not to mention we have Mother Theresa for own own times?
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