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The final moments (SPOILERS!)


What do you think happened in those final moments of the movie? I think the movie leaves many options open - and maybe that was exactly what Oshima wanted it to be like. However, I'd be very eager to hear your view in case I have missed something myself.

What was the relationship between lieutenant Okita (Shinji Takeda) and Sozaburo Kano (Ryuhei Matsuda)? Captain Hijikata (Takeshi Kitano) spoke out his view in the very end when Okita returned to the site of the final duel, but was he right? Why did Okita go back? After he went back there was a noise (of what might have been a sword cutting) - did Okita attack Kano? Or did he kill himself?

I've pondered these options and can't quite decide what to think.

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Prince Voi Levi @ Helsinki, Finland

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My theory is that Okita was the only "real" homosexual in this story.

Hijikata was confessing to himself that everyone was more or less drawn to eachother(or Kano in this case)... maby because of the situation they were in.

They were forced to trust their lives to eachother wich made them develope strong friendship-bonds, easily misenterpred as love.

Something like that...

Sorry about the spelling.

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If Kano is indeed simply a beautiful manipulator, but not a homosexual, why would he let Yuzawa sleep with him? What did he gain from lying there like a dead fish while he had his way?

If he did not love Toshiro, why would he kill Yuzawa? Was it only because the threats were also to him?

And if he did love Toshiro, why would he kill him?

With Kano's reponse to the question of why he joined the militia being "To have the right to kill" I am tempted to interpret this as a film about a pretty murderer, with the moral that men who love men die badly.

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Okita couldn't have killed himself because Okita Souji was a real person, and the real person died of TB.

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Okita and Hijikata both realized that Kano was the real killer. Kano's deceit and deception apparent when he whispered something to Tashiro to throw him off guard.

Okita went back to kill Kano. That was shown symbolically when Hijikata cuts down the blossoming cherry tree.

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I agree with you Zatoichi. When we hear the sound of a sword and someone yells "Okita!", I take this to mean that Okita goes and attacks Kano.

Hijikata then says "Kano was too beautiful. He was possessed by evil. He had to die." Then he chops down the beautiful cherry tree. I take this to mean that Okita was successful in his attack of Kano, and Kano is now dead.

Kano was obviously the killer and tried to set up Tashiro for the killing.

Things I can not figure out are who Kano loved, if anyone, or was it all just manipulation on his part. And I don't know if Okita was hiding that he was gay, seriously in the closet or a misguided homophobe. I'm leaning towards the later though because reflecting on the story Okita tells Hajikata he says "Why would you kill YOURSELF to keep a promise unless there was love?". Okita in the end kills Kano which I think means he did not love him.

Just my 2 cents.

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What about the bit when

i) Hijikata pictures himself walking down towards Kano.
Does this = Hijikata denying to himself that he loves/desires Kano

ii) Then Soji walking down towards Kano
Does this = Hijikata thinking that Soji loves Kano

iii)Then finally Kano (in red) walking down to meet Soji.
Does this = Hijikata finally thinking that actually its the other way round and Kano desires Soji.

That is my understanding as to what the final scenes are referring to but there are still a few gaps in my understanding.

Mainly:

i) Kano is in red on that third part - does this symbolise him being guilty/the murderer, in Hijikata's eyes?

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ii) On all 3 of these visions from Hijikata it looks like there is a corpse at the feet of the person who is being approached. Am I imagining things?

That was a muddled ending to a good film. I was still too busy thinking about what Hijikata was picturing that I didn't notice at the very end that it was of course Soji going back, being greeted by Kano, and then immediately doing in Kano.

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ii) On all 3 of these visions from Hijikata it looks like there is a corpse at the feet of the person who is being approached. Am I imagining things?

Exactly! That is what I thought to. It is a big tree trunk, but obviously we are to believe for a split second that its a corpse.

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quote -
i) Hijikata pictures himself walking down towards Kano.
Does this = Hijikata denying to himself that he loves/desires Kano

ii) Then Soji walking down towards Kano
Does this = Hijikata thinking that Soji loves Kano

iii)Then finally Kano (in red) walking down to meet Soji.
Does this = Hijikata finally thinking that actually its the other way round and Kano desires Soji. - quote

This is shown because it was the problem in the militia - everyone was becoming attracted to Kano because he was spreading himself around the group.

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Mine opinion is that in the end Okita kills Kano, because they found out Kano was the real killer. Like Hijkata says; "He was too beautiful.
As the men toyed with him, he was possessed by a demon."
I think Kano killed Yuwaza because he felt abused by him. But he killed Ito because he doesn't answer his love. That Kano had taken a fancy after Ito is clearly visible.
The only thing i can't figure out is the relationship between Soij and Kano. Did Kano really love Soij? Was Soji maybe also gay and did he love Kano? Or is it Hajikata fantasy that is projected through his ideas?

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Agreed. I sense he joined the militia largely because he could kill. Recall his family was no longer samurai, yet they still had a samurai clan name. Add to that, that the samurai class was no longer what it once was and two-sword men were soon to be abolished -- the best place for Kano was in the militia if his thirst was for blood.

Recall how cold Kano is during the seppuku incident and that Hijikata guess that Kano has killed before.

I agree also with the tree cut. The pretty tree in the unholy place where the final duel takes place. And Okita says he suddenly remembers he has to attend to something. Okita is the man for the job.

I am not sure of Kano's motives for killing Soji. Kano may be one of those demons that kills anything that loves it. It was Kano's innocent physical beauty that got men to let down their guard.

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It is worth knowing that, there are actually TWO endings to this film, one that is shown in the film seen everywhere, but also one alternative ending that has been shown in Japan, and perhaps some other selected viewings.

When I first saw this film in cinema, I was quite confused! Didn't really understand the ending. After some researches, I found out that it is the director's intention to have an "open" ending, one which there is not a definite ending. It's partially open for imagination...

Hope this helps!

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An alternative or additional theme.

Considering the political climate of the time and the worries about spies, was Kano sent to disrupt the clan? His refusal to cut his hair and willingness to provoke gossip created divisions between the samurai. We know that Kano didn't sleep with Tashiro but only once denies it, many months after gossip and rumour had spread.
I accept that it probably was Kano that murdered those people and I'm not entirely sure how this supports my theory. However remember the fight with the rival clan member in the stream behind the hotel? He was a dead man, lying on the ground, blinded by the blood in his eyes. And yet the attack stopped long enough for the reinforcements to arrive.
I have to say though, nearly everyone in that militia was a gossipy old woman.

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Yeah, I was also thinking that Kano could have been a spy. In the opening scene, Hijikata says something to Commander Kondo along the lines of "Not a spy, then" when they are talking about Kano. I think that's a little hint from the film makers. The fight with the rival clan also seemed too easy. Also, by becoming Kondo's aide, Kano was in a good position to act as a spy.

Kano understood the power of his own beauty and the power of rumour, and used both to spread unease amongst his fellow samurai. After that, it was easy for him to kill without anyone suspecting him. At first I thought Kano killed Yuzawa because he was afraid, and attacked Ito because he was angry at being rejected. But after thinking about it more, I reckon it was all done in cold blood to set up Tashiro. He could easily have killed Ito, but instead he ran off leaving Tashiro's dagger behind to set him up. Poor Tashiro. He got the blame for everything, and he never even got laid!

I thought it was interesting that even at the end, after Hijikata has realised that Kano is the killer, he still feels sorry for him and makes excuses for his behaviour, saying that Kano was manipulated by other men. The more I think about it the clearer it seems that Kano was the one doing all the manipulating, but even Hijikata has been blinded by him to some extent.

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I do agree with it being an open ending since a lot of Asian literature and movies seem to want its audience to think abstractly rather than just let it be an entertainment.

Kano is an embodiment of the ideal Japanese male beauty, a guy who looks like a pretty girl. Armed with this beauty, it's the perfect disguise for a killer in the midst of a crowd with the license to kill and libidos just one notch from breaking out of its restraints.

My guess about the whole story is that Kano planned the whole thing from the beginning, with his reason for joining the militia was to have the right to kill. And I also think that his first target was Tashiro, maybe because of his forwardness that he wanted Kano to be his lover or maybe another reason that is only dark and mysterious to us but makes perfect sense to Kano. This might also be all a game to him and that Tashiro was unfortunate enough to be caught in his trap. Remember that Kano's reason for joining was to gain the right to kill.

This might be the trigger as to why he killed Yuzawa, to get things started and then to finish it, he attempted to kill Ito and left Tashiro's dagger in the scene of the crime. This final piece to the plan was Kano's last nail to Tashiro's coffin. Since he showed to the officials that he wasn't squeamish about executing someone and that they seemed to think it a good irony that Kano be Tashiro's executioner.

Well, this was a good exercise for my mind.

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would you have accepted the sex scene(and in the process the whole movie) if Kano had been a girl instead of a girly boy? *just wondering*

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

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Its either Kano who killed the men in his own clan and tried to frame Tashiro for some weird reason or (this is more likely) the homofobic Soji Okita killed them and framed Tashiro to get rid of a gayperson after that Kano which is also gay he was sure Kano would get the blame for all the deaths and would also get rid of. The last scene is a visualisation of Kitano for the Tree representing Beuty(Kano) and it must die. but i still dont get why Soji went back because he ¨forgot¨ something...

first Kitano sees himself going to Kano then he says no thats not right he was confused so then he thinks of Soji going to Kano but Soji is homophobic so Kano goes to Soji meaning that he said he loved Soji but Soji hates him

It could also be Kano that did the killings to prove his love for Soji who knows..

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Interesting theory of Soji being the killer, cihank86. I have never thought about that! :)

But somehow I think that would be a boring conclusion to the story...

I believe Kano was the killer, but I have no idea what his motives are. Why would he become a samurai to have the right to kill? As Hijikata said at the end, maybe Sozaburo was just possessed by evil? (Metaphorically speaking)

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Why should Okita kill Kano? I remember the song in Querelle de Brest by R. W. Fassbinder:"Each man kills the thing he loves"! And there are also interesting connection between the two films: an amoral main character, a military context, men trying to lie with Querelle. But I watched Querelle too long ago to go further with connections.

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I believe that both Soji and Kano were both a little crazy and evil. In the early part of the movie Soji says to Beat Takeshi(The Captain) that it takes a madman to know a madman. I feel as though that was a forshadow because Kano is definitely crazy and loves to kill. In the end I believe that Soji kills Kano because the moment when Beat Takeshi see's Kano coming to Soji he is wearing red which is a symbol of love/lust and death. in the dream Kano is in the position that Tashiro was in and Soji in the position of Kano who killed Tashiro, which tells you that Soji was the final killer, and when he goes back it seems as though Kano is waiting for him( as if he was mislead by Soji). I can only assume that Soji's motivation for killing him was that he was coming between them all and starting all these lovers quarrels, or maybe his jealousy got the best of him. Kano is like the sirens from greek mythology. He reels people in with his innocent and pure beauty and kills them. That is why Beat Takeshi wanted him to cut off his locks. In the beggining he admits that even he is sensitive to his charms, as you can further see in his first vision with him and Kano that he tries to get out of his thoughts. Kano had to be destroyed because as Kondo had said, that the first time something like this happened something terrible went down, so it was a must. I love this movie and I love the ending because it is very interesting how the web of lies, lust, love and death are so complicatedly intertwined.


I WANNA BE LIKE THOSE GIRLS IN THE MOVIES!

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The secret is all in Kano's past. His superior swordsmanship was shown, but where did he learn it? When ask his reason for joining the militia it was to "have the right to kill". Had he killed before illegally? And his hair, he said he would cut it, but first he had to complete a vow he made. A vow to kill?
My guess is that he was abused in the past and made a vow to kill anyone who comes on to him.

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