The Japanese may as well have been the aliens from Independance Day...
considering how overtly they were villainized by Bay with not even a hint of humanity or character.
shareWell if you look at the way the Japanese behaved from the 1930s to 1945 then it seems reasonable to most people who are not right wing Japanese politicians to paint them as bad guys because they were bad guys.
Japan was a fascist dictatorship for its own people and hell for the people who lived in their short lived empire.
I have met people who were prisoners of the Japanese and all their lives they looked skinny like junkies,and one neighbour used to scream out in the night due to his experiences.
Who were the bad guys? God it is amazing how much Americans white wash and overly simplify WW2. We were the good guys, they were the bad guys. We forget about the 69 Japanese cities which were destroyed between 25-85% by firebombing and atomic bombs. How civilians were targeted in a fashion no different than al-qaeda - I mean the Japanese fighters did not shoot at civilians in Pearl Harbor. How rape by American soldiers in Japan continues until today. Yeah, Americans were the good ones...
Anyone who says that the nukes were necessary to end the war, simply don't know history (and just believe propaganda).
Frak off troll.
Yes... we were the good guys, and still are.
Japanese were the bad guys, but no more, now they're good guys too.
The crap you spewed is complete bullsh!t.
We forget about the 69 Japanese cities which were destroyed between 25-85% by firebombing and atomic bombs.
That's how wars were fought then. You took out whole cities in order to strike the factories, the ammunition plants, and other war materials supply and manufacturing centers.
We did not have GPS and laser guided bombs that could surgically enter a ventilation shaft, take out a bunker, and leave the surrounding building intact.
How civilians were targeted in a fashion no different than al-qaeda
Seriously? you are one screwed up and deluded nutjob. Seek help for your delusions. Before you go Jared Lee Loughner on somebody.
I mean the Japanese fighters did not shoot at civilians in Pearl Harbor.
They didn't at Pearl, but they did at quite a number of other locations throughout the war. We on the other hand.... Did NOT. Yes, we bombed Cities. Cities that were the centers of industry and part of the Imperial war manufacturing.
How rape by American soldiers in Japan continues until today.
Rape happens everywhere. It's wrong no matter who does it.
But you in your sheer STUPIDITY... are equating individual actions (some of who wear a uniform, to the wholesale actions of the entire Japanese Army (rape of Nanking)
The Difference that you are too stupid to understand, or too evil to admit to...
Is that if an American soldier rapes someone, they are a criminal and punished.
Like any other criminal.
WW2 Japanese military CONDONED and raped subjugated peoples, namely Chinese and many Philippine women too, as a matter of policy.
Anyone who says that the nukes were necessary to end the war, simply don't know history (and just believe propaganda).
Not necessary to end the war... But necessary to end the war quickly without dragging it on further to it's inevitable conclusion with MILLIONS more in casualties, both our soldiers AND the Japanese people.
In anticipation of Operation downfall, so many Purple Hearts were manufactured in advance, that to this day, both during Iraq, and still in Afghanistan, enough surplus Purple Hearts exist that they are able to keep the medals on hand for immediate awarding to soldiers in the field.
You clearly are too *beep* ignorant to understand that despite the horrific loss of life.... The Atomic bombs SAVED millions more in ending the war quickly before we had to invade the home islands.
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Yes, you were the good guys. Not the case anymore. Ever since the Iraq, and the stupid excuses the American population belived as the "cause" of the war, USA has lost all of their credibility as the "good guys"... Same stuff happening now, the vast irresponsibility with causing, and funding the so called "Arab spring".
It's funny that you accuse someone of one dimnesional picture of WWII, while you yourself have one... You see, Japan, and it's right wing government were aiming at Korea/China (as they've always had for centuries). The Indochina theater, and broading of the conflict was caused by the USA... Economic sanctions my dear, Japan was cut off from resources, and so they tried to eliminate the Pacific Fleet of the USA, before they would turn for the oil and rubber resources of Asia... American government was well aware that their actions will provoke a war with Japan.
But once again - Japanese were bad guys there, they did horrible, horrible things to the conquered nations (Chinese mostly), as well as the POW.
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So you have decided I will go to hell in the afterlife... Nice *beep*
You are exactly what you claim I am.
Have a nice life *beep*
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
The fact you say so clearly you are the good guys when you should know NOTHING IS THIS WORLD IS SO BLACK AND WHITE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WAR. you are supposed to be a soldier yet your dumbarse can't even figure out the basics.
Why don't you look up steven Dale and see what he did to that poor little Iraqi girl, he raped her, burnt her body and house as well as killed all her family. Then you wonder why they hate invaders
Call yourself heroes ........
Yes, you piece of sh!t... We are the good guys.
Your example is the example of an INDIVIDUAL. Not systemic policy.
Atrocities happen on all sides during a war. Even our side.
But you, you sick frak... Want to equate the criminal action of an individual on our side, a criminal action not condoned and even prosecuted.... to condemn our entire side and equate it to the systemic and widely condoned atrocities commited on a wide scale by the other.
You cannot equate the two.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
You are absolutely correct!! FDR, along with international Jewry, desperately wanted a global war. The crushing sanctions that we placed on Japan are precisely why they attacked us at Pearl Harbor, an attack which Washington was well aware of in advance. This attack was deliberately provoked and knowingly allowed to occur, in order to gain the "legitimacy" for a full on war in the Pacific. I won't go into a long diatribe about WWII, but suffice it to say, those of us who study history beyond the propaganda, know that nearly everything taught in the West is a lie.
shareI see. Yes I see. No mention that the oil and scrap metal embargo were a result, not a cause, of Japan's invasion of French Indochina. But of course they don't teach that in our "liberal" education courses today.
shareYes, Japan was the "bad guys" in WWII. And that is largely because they were the aggressor. The country that strikes first usually has a flimsy excuse to justify their actions, as was the case with Japan (no different than the US invading Iraq - virtually everywhere outside America's borders, people side with the US being the bad guy in that one).
But in defense of Japan, their "liberation" of Asian countries - stealing their resources in the name of ridding those countries of foreign white occupiers - is still no worse than anything any European and American colonial power had done before them. Case in point: something few Americans know or WANT to know is that Japan only became a military power after the US navy showed up on their shores in the mid-1850's and threatened to shell every city up the coast if Japan didn't open up a port and start trading with America. Japan had no modern warships at the time, and US Admiral Perry shelled a few buildings just to show what America was capable of. Defenseless and humiliated, Japan had no choice but to open up their country because of American aggression. (Yes, the US was the bad guys in that one, too).
(no different than the US invading Iraq - virtually everywhere outside America's borders, people side with the US being the bad guy in that one)
And with that.. you failed your whole post.
Try reading something other than liberal leftwing bullsh!t next time.
Try actual FACTS.
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WTF "liberals" ??? Everybody on the planet nows that both of your parties are one and the same, as both are pursuing an aggressive neo-liberal agenda. Both are financed by the very same people.
Just admit that the US (a nation that conducted its own genocides in the past and that is still struggling with black emancipation) did their part of *beep* mate. Believing in a black 'n' white world just makes you as stupid as you appear, Jingo.
It's in shades of grey, really. Anyway, it's useless trying to talk about subtle matters with you exhalted Yanks who most likely believe that history of the Universe starts in 1776. I am pretty sure thatr if you were on the buisness end of an atom bomb instead of the Japanese we'd never hear the end of how it would be a inhumane thing done on poor martyrs, am I wrong? Ah but it's only Japs, after all - it's not like if they were real humans, huh?
I guess you also believe that our planet is like 10 thousand years old, do you? I hope you'll one day reap what you sown. Maybe it's coming faster than you think.
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actually CGSailor. every single American War has been staged to happen in cooperation with your government. the truth hurts.
shareSo the United States staged the rise of Hitler?
The US Staged the rise of the Japanese Empire? Conspired to have Japan attack us?
ROFLMAO.. you are fraking retarded.
You do not have a pair of brain cells to rub together if you believe what you wrote. Truth hurts.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
Actually they did stage Pearl Harbor. by allowing it to happen. you really should do some research before you go bellowing off from within your own ass.
shareI have done my research.
Unlike you and your conspiracy retard buddies... My research consists of actual research if actual facts, not simply going to like minded conspiracy sites where you listen to other consoiracy eetard validate your pet theories with no actual facts.
I don't go "bellowing from my own ass".
That's what you conspiracy fücktards do.
We did not "allow" Pearl Harbor to happen.
The idea that we allowed it to happen does not even make common sense for the reason you conspiracy retards claim is the reason it was allowed. The only way it makes sense is in the ignorant twisted minds of you retards that believe it.
Dunning-Kruger.
You have it bad.
You should see to it.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
I have done my research.
Unlike you and your conspiracy retard buddies... My research consists of actual research of actual facts, not simply going to like minded conspiracy sites where you listen to other conspiracy retards validate your pet theories with no actual facts.
I don't go "bellowing from my own ass".
That's what you conspiracy fücktards do.
We did not "allow" Pearl Harbor to happen.
The idea that we allowed it to happen does not even make common sense for the reason you conspiracy retards claim is the reason it was allowed. The only way it makes sense is in the ignorant twisted minds of you retards that believe it.
Dunning-Kruger.
You have it bad.
You should see to it.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
bb_bryson knows nothing about history. He obviously went to a college class taught by a left wing prof who spouted anti-American propaganda. I live in Bataan in the Philippines now. Perhaps you should look up the Bataan Death March and how they treated the Filipino citizens after Pearl Harbor. Check the Rape of Nanking to see what these "good guys" did to the Chinese and look up what happened in Singapore at the same time as Pearl harbor. They were just interested in taking over all of Asia. The soldiers of Japan were beasts who bayoneted babies among other atrocities. A-bombing Japan was absolutely necessary or up to 100,000 more US, Australian, and New Zealand troops would have lost their lives fighting a war was that already lost by the Japanese.
shareA-bombing Japan was absolutely necessary or up to 100,000 more US, Australian, and New Zealand troops would have lost their lives fighting a war was that already lost by the Japanese.
Heck, if we are to throw baseless numbers out of a hat why stop at 100,000 ???
A billion thousand lives sounds much more dramatic...
"The useless bombing of civilians save billions of thousands of American lives"
Much better-looking.
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the japanese were reprehensible monsters during WW2.
shareWell if you look at the way the Japanese behaved from the 1930s to 1945 then it seems reasonable to most people who are not right wing Japanese politicians to paint them as bad guys because they were bad guys.
Just looked it up. Wiki after wiki. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese, Filipinos and Koreans were killed by Japanese within that decade. More than the number of Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims. Watched youtube videos of hiroshima and nagasaki bombings and suddenly we're the only bad guys share