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Standing Up For Caitlin's Way (Opinions Please)


If there's one thing I absolutely hate, it's when people that don't like something "review" it and talk trash about it. If you don't like it, why are you even on its IMDb page? This person posted a Caitlin's Way flame, and I got so pissed about it; not just because they were criticizing my favorite show, but because they were very obviously saying it's a bad thing to be different and you have to try to fit in. Here was the message:

I absolutely _abhor_ this show and the fact that Nickelodeon picked it up to show on their so-called "kids" network. It's about a teenage girl whose a stereotypical street rat who's been shuffled from foster home to foster home since the untimely death of her mother. And she had to grow up fast, how typical of a teen show comedy or drama. Then after getting in trouble with the law, her options are juvie hall or to live with her aunt and uncle in a redneck town in Montana. Sure enough, she ends up in Montana, but she still has an attitude problem and acts like a punk. And the only thing Caitlin harbors love for his her horse. What was Nickelodeon thinking when they picked up this show? This is shown to kids? This could give kids a bad message that it's okay to disrespect your elders (Yes, people, Caitlin is rude to everyone around her!) and act like a smart-allecky street urchin! This show isn't good for teenagers, either. When will all this a-kid-grows-up-fast-and-acts-and-talks-like-an-adult-and/or-smart alleck crap going to end? Can't kids and teens on TV shows JUST ACT NORMAL?! I think that it's high time Caitlin's Way gets a one-way ticket to hiatus-land! It was be for the better if this show never came to television again. If you don't want your children growing up too fast too soon or running away and living on the streets, and telling people off, and getting in trouble with the law, then find something better to watch...like say....Get Smart?

As usual when I see someone posting something on the Internet that gets me angry, I replied to the person - not literally, but I wrote it on Microsoft Word to burn off my anger before I went and started a fight. But I think this person needs to hear a thing or two about what a snob they are. Here's my message:

Why am I picturing you as a snobby prep? ‘Cause that’s how you sound. You apparently have issues with people just being themselves, and you would prefer it if they were “normal.” Because everybody knows that swallowing down your real feelings and relentlessly trying to fit in with everybody else is the key to life. Keep in mind that because of the loss and the hard life Caitlin’s experienced, she has emotions that you don’t have because you’ve never gone through the same things. Therefore, you have no right to be a critic on something you’ve never experienced yourself. You can’t instantly mark someone off as a crybaby with an attitude problem just because they’re not a perfect, obedient little saint all the time. Imagine how you would feel if your mother died when you were only eight, you were moved again and again to places where no one truly loved you, and then you had to live in entirely new surroundings that you knew nothing about. Would you not think the tiniest bit about yourself and just put on a smile for the rest of the world? Caring about your own feelings doesn’t mean you’re selfish. I don’t mean to be dramatic, but your problems clearly go beyond a simple review of a Nickelodeon show. Also, a lot of teens that have never even heard of the show are like Caitlin. Teenage years are awkward times, and some teens feel compelled to take charge of their own lives now that they’re getting older. That’s why they act, as you said, like smart alecks. I’m the same way sometimes. Besides, I never thought adults knew best. Just because they’re grown-ups, that doesn’t make them special people that know everything. That’s simply my opinion. That doesn’t automatically mean I’m an attitudinal brat. Caitlin’s Way wasn’t even meant for young children; it was rated Y7 because it was on Nickelodeon, so it had to be a clean show, but it was directed towards teens. Why else would the main character be a troubled teenager? That doesn’t sound like it would be appealing to a bunch of seven-year-olds who are probably more interested in My Little Pony and Star Wars, so I don’t think that’s who Nickelodeon meant it for. But it doesn’t matter what age group it was made for. The point is that it is just a show. The whole “our kids are going to be exactly like the characters if they watch this” kick is stupid. TV shows are purely for our personal entertainment. They’re not there to convert your children to Satanism. Even kids aren’t clueless enough to take life values from something completely fictional. And now back to the very beginning; if you don’t like Caitlin’s Way, why did you even go through the trouble of going to its IMDb page and writing a review for it? People like you basically go out of their way to flame to compensate for the fact that they have way too much free time. Now, even though that was an insult, I tried to make this message as un-flame-y as possible. I only wanted to correct all the prejudice mistakes in your stuck-up review. So there you go.

I was wondering if I should actually send it to her/him. I don't want to seem like a flamer myself, but these people really get to me. Do you think I should stand up for Caitlin's Way and tell them off, or not send it?

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First of all, Molly, congratulations on being 13 years old in this era of ignorance and prolonged childhood and still being capable of composing sentences and paragraphs in a fairly decent, structured manner. You're being home-schooled, aren't you?

I can't believe that someone would actually take issue with a show so innocent and innocuous as Caitlin's Way! (I compare it to old Christian family programmes in another thread on this board.) If one thinks that a show like this is going to ruin children and teens, I shudder to think what they would make of some of the shows I grew up on 25 to 35 years ago. I can just imagine their eyes bugging out at the sight of 10- to 13-year olds with naked bums and titties on the old '70s Swedish series, Den Vita Stenen / The White Stone; or the cigarettes, brawling and racist name-calling on Grange Hill; or even Caitlin's lesbian dreams and the abortion storyline on Degrassi (Junior) High. Given the overprotection they receive nowadays, I think I know why most 20-year olds today look, dress and think like I did at 10.

One other thing, Molly: If you're a reasonably intelligent young person who digs a show like Caitlin's Way, then you should certainly check out The Adventures of Shirley Holmes (1996--2000); it's easily the all-around best of the adolescent shows of the past 15 years. It even had a very large following with those of us in our 20s and early 30s at the time--it was that well-made and magnetic. I've written extensively about it on its board here on IMDb.

Stay cool. Don't give in to the idiocy and dogma....

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Actually, I really am homeschooled. xD

I agree. It was on Nickelodeon, for crying out loud. Anything near inappropriate definitely wasn't intended.

I'll be sure to check that show out. :)

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You're being homeschooled, eh? I knew it!!! I knew it was next to impossible nowadays for a publicly schooled 13-year old to come on a website like this and compose cohesive, structured paragraphs and not act like a paranoid idiot (e.g., "Geraldo says they're going to stalk and abduct me!") around full-fledged adults of my age! Congratulations on being human, Molly. You're a member of an endangered species, I fear.

Yes, you should check out The Adventures of Shirley Holmes. Sadly, there's never been a DVD or VHS release of the show, and it's not currently running on any channel in North America that I'm aware of, but Damon Ford (who has a website dedicated to the show) has a number of complete episodes uploaded to YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/damonjford). They're not of the highest quality, but it's all I can guide you to at the moment. I recorded several of the key episodes on VHS; if I ever figure out how to upload them to the computer, I'll make them available to those who are interested....

Your Caitlin's Way website looks great, by the way. Maybe I should enlist you to design the comic books site I'm working on. Google Page & Site Creator can truly get me down....

Anyway, stay cool, Molly. And keep bringing an air of youthful intelligence (and therefore hope) to these infantile, low-minded websites.

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Mmhmm. I've been homeschooled since the 3rd grade.

I tried looking for the episodes, but couldn't find them online, and they don't seem to be on TV anymore; even at ridiculous times like Caitlin's Way at 6am. So I'm glad to know someone's uploaded at least a handful to YouTube.

Thanks! I spent all night on that layout, and the only thing I hate about it is the fact that the background of the navigation menu repeats itself if the page is too long, like on the About the Characters page. The site isn't done yet, but it probably won't take me to long to finish all the pages. I'd love to check out your website and possibly think of a design for it. :)
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So...Have you done any more work on your Caitlin's Way site? I haven't visited it lately. It might be wise to make sure it gets a link from the bottom of the Caitlin's Way wikipedia entry.

My site devoted to eccentric essays on / reviews of comics is up in the air right now. You see, all along I'd been using Google Pages for creating webpages devoted to my poems, political satire, Jodie Foster flicks, etc. But now Google Pages is gradually being morphed into the new and rather inferior Google Sites venture. I haven't decided what other free web service to go with. What's your experience with FreeWebs/Webs.com been like? Any advice? (Thanks for offering to help with the design, by the way.)

Leave it to Google for coming up with good ideas, not investing enough time and money into them once they've become a reality, and then shutting them down in favour of another crazy scheme when they go nowhere. My prediction: Google Chrome and Google Knols will be the next two neglected branches to go. As far as I'm concerned, all these new ventures serve as nothing more than tax write-offs for them.

Did you get around to checking out any of those Shirley Holmes episodes on YouTube, by the way? They're not of the highest audio/visual quality by any means, but it was a really good, smart show--especially the 'Molly' episodes. I thought you might like it.

Anyway, take care....

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Yup, I've been working on it. I've also been making graphics to put on the Avatar, Signature, and etc. pages. It's almost finished. :)

Mmhmm. I agree on Google. I hate "upgrades" period. It's all about the money; not what the users want. So as expected, it's far from what we want. For instance, the annoying but continuous changes on YouTube. There are even rumors that they'll be merging with Hulu and renaming the site HuluTube. *shudder*

I used to not like Webs so much because I didn't know how to activate HTML mode. I could only use templates. (Granted, I didn't know how to create layouts back then, but I was in the process of learning.) However, now that I know how to make layouts and use HTML mode, I prefer Webs to any other website hosting service. It's easy to use, but you can make it look much more high quality with a cool layout.

I haven't yet, but I will. I'm going to search for a list of all the episodes so I can watch them in order, or what they have of them on YouTube anyway.
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Hmmm...I've been wondering how much space (MBs, GBs, whatever) does Webs allow for each site. I couldn't find anything definite on their FAQ page. Any idea?

I must admit, I don't know much in regards to HTML mode and (especially) layouts. At Google Pages, I relied on templates. After spending a lot of time working up some of the material, it just seemed so much easier for me. HTML mode and layouts will not be allowed on the new Google Sites, by the way. Typical....

I've just discovered that all four seasons of Shirley Holmes have been made available (unofficially) as a package of eleven DVD-Rs at RareTelevision.com. They're going for a relatively decent price of roughly 23 quid (about $45 Canadian or $40 US), so someone will probably be uploading all the episodes as a torrent soon....

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Judging by Webs sites I've seen, I'm guessing it allows a lot of space. Or maybe that's why some people switch to "co.nr" domains; to get more space. But I'm not sure, because I've never actually finished an entire Webs site. :P

I'm not that experienced in creating layouts, so I only use two basic designs -- the one I used for The Caitlin's Way Source, and another that I'll use an unfinished (possibly on hold indefinitely) site of mine as an example for: http://www.warriorsofebony.webs.com/

I don't know if my mom will be willing to buy any of them for me, but I'll check that out. Haha.
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I signed up for a Webs site only to discover that the free version allows for a maximum capacity of 40Mb. Not bad, but surprisingly low compared to the 100MB allotted to each free Google site.

One thing that concerns me about the Webs sites is their invisibility during Google searches. I googled for Caitlin's Way Source and Warriors Of Ebony, and nothing showed up. Have you made those two sites fully visible at all times to the general public? Whatever the case, Webs sites in general seem rather impervious to Google Search--of all the searching I've done spanning so many topics over the years, I can recall coming across only two or three sites maintained by (Free)Webs.

The Shirley Holmes episodes are all available as one package of 11 DVD-Rs for 22.49 quid. (Just clearing that up in case you thought each season was released as a separate package.)

By the way, what's with the recent name change--MollyStarr to MollyLC...?

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The site doesn't show up in search engines, such as Google, until you "register" it, I guess you could say, which I haven't done yet. I actually like that, because then no one's coming to the site before it's finished.

MollyLC is the screen name I almost always use for neutral sites like this (not focused on one topic. For instance, for Warriors-related websites, I use the screen name Shadeclaw). Molly is obviously my first name; "L" stands for my middle name, and "C" stands for my last name.
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I've forgotten to ask you up until now: Molly, do you read any comic books, comic strips, manga or graphic novels? Any particular taste? Given your obsession with The Warriors series, I'm guessing phantasy.

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No, I'm actually not a big fan of any comics or anime/manga. :P I used to like Speed Racer, which I guess could be placed in the same category, but I'm not so into it anymore. My cousin loves manga though, so she's constantly encouraging me to read it, too.
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If I'm not mistaken, there a Warriors manga series; I was kind of figuring you would have read that. Right now, I'm halfway through The Watchmen--after owning a copy of the 'graphic novel' version for years. I figured I'd finally try and read it before I get around to seeing the film, which came out just recently. It's a pretty good read--although pretty complex for a superhero comic.

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Yup, there is. I've only read the first one, though. I remember seeing commercials for The Watchmen, but I couldn't really tell what it was about. Lol.
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I was wondering, do you enjoy fictionalised rabbits as much as what you do fictionalised cats? Have you ever read and/or watched Richard Adams's Watership Down (novel, 1972; film, 1978)? If not, you might like to check it out. It's dark, disturbing and biblically symbolic. It was really popular when I was growing up. The film version is available in ten parts on YouTube, uploaded by 2 different people.

Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfCFxvI9fQ&feature=related

It's usually best to watch longer YouTube files with an flv player. I usually copy the url, go to SaveYouTube or one of the other file-fetching sites, and then download it to watch with the flash player. The audio is also a little low on these files; if you don't have your computer operating through a stereo (or should that be the other way around?), then it's probably best to use headphones.

Take care....

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Nope, I've never heard of that. Is it really about rabbits? Lol.

I've also never heard of things like SaveYouTube. Does it allow you to watch YouTube videos in pristine quality? Because that would make viewing videos a hell of a lot more pleasant. xD
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Yes, it's about rabbits--British rabbits, mind you, ol' bean. Wonderful film, actually; you should check out the link I gave you to Part One on YouTube. I've always wanted to try and get around to reading the original novel by Adams. Oh, well....

Yes, there are several sites that allow one to download YouTube videos so that he or she can watch then on a larger screen, convert them to another format, just preserve them in one's files in case they're removed from YouTube, etc. I usually use SaveYouTube, which is now Downloader or something: http://www.downloader9.com/. Check it out.

How's the homeschooling going, by the way?

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Oh, cool. Sounds interesting; I'll watch it as soon as I get a chance. :)

That's awesome! Especially since I hate it when my favorite videos are removed.

It's going pretty well -- because I don't have to do anything. Lol. I'm actually unschooled, which means the student chooses whatever they want to learn; nothing's forced on them, and there's no ciriculum. Right now, I'm just learning about photography (I'm taking a class), because that's what I want to do when I grow up.
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Sounds to me like you're already pretty grown up (although you did misspell 'curriculum'!); I know lots of people my age who can't relate information as cordially and intelligently as yourself. (I turned 40 today, by the way--a young 40, of course! It's been a typically boring, lonely, miserable rainy-day birthday, the kind to which I've grown accustomed!)

Photography, huh? Well, at least you have artistic ambitions--most people under 25 these days only want to sing their idiotic heads off on American Idol-type shows, model thong knickers, and then settle into a career in hardcore porno (or join a gang).

Yeah, those SaveYouTube-type sites can be useful. Coupled with an AVS editor-joiner, one can splice the (usually) 10-minute files back into the complete original film. Quite often, a lot of old, rare or 'cult' pictures can only be found broken up into segments on YouTube.

As for the 'unschooling', do you and your parents have to follow any particular state-department guidelines? I would imagine so. What initially inspired your parents to go the homeschooling route? It wasn't religion, was it? (You don't sound like the daughter of right-wing fundamentalists.)

Have you added any more content to your Caitlin's Way site? Don't tell me your interest has waned! It was a nice little well-constructed project. You should finish it, promote it, and maintain it. My comics site is waiting on one more review of Watchmen. I wanted at least three takes on the film--each from a different country--and now I'm trying to find one from here in Canada to use.

That reminds me: Have you ever attempted any creative writing? Short stories? Poems...? You have a good imagination and a way with words, so I was wondering if you have a literary creative streak....

Anyway, I have to head on over to the Jodie Foster message board and see if there's anything interesting or just plain nutty going on there this evening. Nighty-night. Stay cool...

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That's what's so great about home-schooling; you're not exposed to that ridiculous lifestyle in which the most important thing you have to worry about is whether or not you have the right hair. You're free to think on your own, and that's what makes you think at all. There are some kids my age that are exposed to all that but don't let it influence them. For instance, the cousin I mentioned earlier, who's definitely not your typical 14-year-old. That's what makes her cool, though.

Exactly. I used to want to be the next Miley Cyrus just because I have a natural singing voice, but later on, I realized that music is more like a hobby instead of a passion -- plus, my eyes were opened to the fact that fame basically sucks, especially when you're a young teenage girl. Targeting young teenage girls is America's favorite activity.

I'm definitely going to try a program like that. There's an episode of I Shouldn't Be Alive called A Walk Into Hell that I love, despite how depressing it is (and despite the fact that I've already seen it about five times). Unfortunately, it's broken up into five different parts because of YouTube's 10-minute length limit, and it bugs me when I watch it.

It was actually my mom's idea. I never liked school, so she suggested home-schooling. At first, we used a curriculum (got it right the second time around!), but then she found out about unschooling and preferred that outlook on learning. My dad grew up in a stricter family, and they always supported mainstream-schooling over home-schooling. As a result, he's insistent with studying math. But other than that, I have all the freedom in school that I could want.

I haven't updated The Caitlin's Way Source yet. I'm also working on a roleplay forum, so I have to make time for both sites. I'll finish TCWS as soon as possible, though. :)

I have. In fact, I love writing, but just like singing, it's only a hobby. I usually write animal-themed stories or fan-fictions for Warriors.
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What?!! You forgot to wish me 'Happy Birthday'--and on my 40th, yet! I must be getting old!

I've been reading up on unschooling, and I think it's very similar to some of my own philosophies regarding home education, individual differences, etc. When I have more time, I'll fill you in on a few of my thoughts about education, teenagers today, contemporary low culture, the hypocrisies surrounding youth and the law, etc. Come to think of it, some of these issues were touched on or implied in Caitlin's Way....

(Glad to know you're not living for your hair!)

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Oh, woops. Happy birthday! Lol.

Yup, I think you're right. In the episode I just watched this morning, they started talking about how adults throw a bunch of rules at us and expect us to follow them just because they said so. It's exactly how I feel.
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Why, Thanks! You're such a sweetie!

I could already see the basic problem with conventional schooling by the time I was about halfway through elementary school: it's "geared towards the average rather than the exceptional" (to quote an old Jethro Tull song lyric). In other words, the above-average wind up getting held back just as often as the below-average fall behind. Also, how is the system to deal successfully with someone who is reading John Steinbeck and Aldous Huxley in sixth grade, but is demonstrating the mathematical abilities of a fourth or fifth grader?

Of course, there are (as far as I'm concerned) all sorts of ulterior motives for the continuation/perpetuation of the public school system as it exists--especially at the secondary/high-school level. One is the prolonging of childhood, which pays off for old, bigoted, conservative politicians who don't want young people taking a interest in society and voting before they're 30 to 35.

From what I can gather, unschooling allows young people to develop at their own pace in the subject areas of their own choosing at their own starting times. If that's correct, then it goes a long way in addressing the problem I pointed out above that I first realised in elementary school.

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That's a big part of what I think about public school. You're right about unschooling. It's easy to forget things when they're crammed down your throat all at once. But if you're allowed to take your time, you'll understand what you're learning better, and you won't completely forget. So in my opinion, unschooling is more effective than other methods of learning.
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Long time, no chat, Molly. How was your summer? Hopefully more positively eventful than mine. By the way, do you carry on with the unschooling all year long, or do you go ape-crazy like regular pupils during the summer months...?

I finally got the first edition of The Comics Decoder up and running courtesy of Google Sites: http://sites.google.com/site/nocturnalirispublicationssite/. Check it out. My essay 'Webs in Lynch's Closet?' has created a bit of controversy among David Lynch and Spider-Man fans. Some of the stuff may be a bit heavy-going for the average 13-year old, but thankfully you're not average! And you have to admit, Mike White (Pigtails & Potbellies) sure draws a cute pig and little girl in the comics section.

Speaking of eccentric internet ventures, do you still have an interest in Caitlin's Way? Enough to put the final gloss on your fan site? You were doing a great job with that; if you haven't completed it already, you really should. Don't be a quitter like virtually everyone else these days!

Anyway, if you're still out there, keep in touch and fill me in on what you're into these days and how your life's progressing....

Ciao....

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molly or r-w-watkins is there a link for molly's caitlins way web site

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Sorry. This was sent to my old email address, so I didn't notice it for a while.

The site looks great. :) Definitely keep it going.

I kind of lost interest in that site...I still like the show, but I'm probably not going to finish The Caitlin's Way Source. HTML-based sites aren't really my strong point. I prefer making ProBoards forums -- I have one up and running right now. Those are much easier to create and maintain. The site is called Infinity and 5, or Ia5 for short, and I'm very proud of the layout. I like how it turned out. It's pretty new, and I haven't been doing a very good job of advertising it, so it's low on members right now. But it's getting there. If you're interested in checking it out, here's the URL: www.infinityand5.proboards.com
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Thanks for the kind words re. The Comics Decoder; I'm just now starting to organise the second 'issue'.

I visited your new site a few days ago. That's an intriguing idea: trying to encourage creativity amongst people, particularly young people. That's getting more difficult as our western world becomes perpetually dumber. It seems virtually no young people over the past 15 to 20 years has taken any interest in cultivating true talent. Ever notice how no one under 40 plays the piano or blows the sax any longer?

As for your Caitlin's Way site, I still think you should put the finishing touches on it and get it up and running properly. It looks great, and at least one other viewer on this board is interested in obtaining a link to it. The show has no official site that I know about, so yours could fill a niche (for lack of a better word--Saturday morning coffee blues!) You could insert links to on various relevant websites.

That's about it for this morning. I'm in a bit of a rush, complete with a written list of things to do and people to contact online. You had moved to near the top of the list this morning. I owed you a comeback. By the way, I might send you a couple of unpublished short stories of mine for perusal within a few days--I need an intelligent young person's opinion and angle for a change. I guess the email address on your profile will be sufficient for that.

Anyway, take care, and good luck with your projects....

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Thank you. (: Yeah, I agree. Too many younger people have resorted to being aspiring rap stars or something along those lines.

I might eventually finish it. I'm back in school now, so I don't have as much time for side projects. (I want to go to high school so I'll have a better chance of getting into the college I want to go to, and I just wanted to get adjusted to school before rushing right into the really hard stuff.)

Awesome, I'd love to read them.
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