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Is this really porn?


Do they actually show REAL intercourse for titillating purposes?

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yes

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Yeah but in what way? Do they use it in a romantic way like 9 songs with ballads and quotes of romance or like Baise-moi in a shocking violent repulsive way. I am asking can anyone see this with his girlfriend?

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Theoxan I think it depends on the sort of relationship one has with one's girlfriend.

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Yes, this is really porn, but no, they show no actual intercourse in this pornographic feature lamely disguised as an "art" film. But it does show a graphic close-up of a young man masturbating--including ejaculation, and another scene where a young girl holds an ejaculating penis--for titillating purposes. Lots and lots of penises--which I didn't mind, except for the ridululously gratuitous nature of many of those scenes (like the man urinating while drinking a beer, the close-up to the face, and the absurd slow pan to the urinating penis--tacky as hell), and as for the pornographic elements--don't mind people making pornography, but there should be truth in labeling, and this IS pornography.

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Explicit scenes should not make a movie porn. It seems to me that the purpose of the sexual content is intended to establish these are real people doing what real people do. Agreed, not everyone does what these "teenagers" are doing. But many people do and I think the sexual content is intended to establish that sense of realism.

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This isn't the first time I've run across this argument. It has never held water. Only explicit actual sex can "establish [that] these are real people doing what real people do"--eh? Thus, every movie ever made withOUT that depiction has failed to establish the characters as "real?" There are literally thousands of films that have been made without resorting to displaying actual sex that have given us characters far more real than the cardboard cutouts we find in this movie. We have the further problem that if real sex is required to establish character, than why are we given at least 3 scenes of fake fellatio in this picture?

Hand jobs?--must be real in order for the characters to be authentic.
Masturbation?--must be real in order to fulfill the director's "artistic" vision.
Fellatio?--must be fake in order to make the characters more--um--real?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if someone wants to make a film that includes actual sex--more power to them (as long as no minors are involved and no coercion used). My only objection is to the insistence of some of those who make or watch these things that these explicit scenes are somehow "necessary to the artistic integrity of the film." This amounts to so much rationalization and self-deception.

Hey, you enjoy the movie?--fine. But you don't need to try and justify it by suggesting that the decisions to include ejaculating penises amounted to a question of artistic integrity on a par with, oh say, the decisions that went into the choice of shots for Citizen Kane or Vertigo (two films that developed character FAR more than is accomplished in "Ken Park"--and not one ejaculating penis in either!).

Real sex is used to appeal to our prurient interests--and that's a legitimate, bona fide appeal to many, many individuals (it certainly has its pull on my interest). Why is it that so many who like this film cannot admit to this? They must justify their interest by disguising the prurient nature of the film by covering it with all manner of verbal garlands denoting "art" and "beauty" and "honesty" and "integrity" to obscure their actual interest.

Strangely, some will insist that my views are puritanical, but let me suggest that the opposite is true. I found some of the scenes in the film VERY arousing, but I do not have to justify this interest by insisting it was "necessary." I hated the film not because of the sex scenes, per se, but because of the obvious dishonesty of the film, its clumsy attempts to hide the graphic depictions behind a facade of "art," its confused narrative, and its sometimes laughably ridiculous POV choices.

But, to each his own rationalization.



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It's simulated. Duh!

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Sex by nature is titillatin whether its in a porn or a legit film dont be fooled.Just because its under a different genre doesn't mean it's different its all the same.

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yes, larry clark even slows down at the most pivotal moments(ejaculation, intercourse, etc)

he's far ahead of winterbottom. and considering most of the actors are still underage, i don't know how clark pulled it off.

he claims it's simulated, but i'm not sure how you smulate a throbbing cock spewing spunk into a little girl's hair, but whatever.

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No penetration is shown.

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