No 'Squall is dead' topic?


no-one read about that?

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I have. And actually suprised no one has brought it up till now, so im keen for an open discussion on this topic.
I'll start very basic by saying I disagree with the theory and say hes alive and well, I won't get to much into detail yet, will see how popular this topic gets first

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I believe it was all a dream. When Squall got hit in the head by Seifer in the beginning, Squall never woke up in the infirmary. Instead he went into a dream where he was the leader, got the girl and kicked Seifers as's. Eventually he got lost in his own dream with the whole time compression thing which eventually put him in a lifelong coma.

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nice joke there.

He wasn't even knocked out, how could a cut to the face ko you? He probably went to the infirmary for a band-aid then fell asleep (admittedly feeling drowsy from a bit of blood loss).
Of-course he wouldn't have known any of the characters from the game, if it was a dream from after preliminary fight with Seifer; Seifer would have been MUCH more prominent character and apart from that I don't know just Quistis his teacher I guess.

Actually now that you mentioned it Ellone shows up at the infirmary right at the beginning doesn't really add anything to your claim though, re-enforces the whole story is real if anything.

I actually thought Rinoa dying in space was kinda viable from ending clip of her space suit breaking.

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Yeah I still think it's a dream. I mean only in a dream can you act like total douchebag and still get two girls to fall madly in love with you hahahaahah. Squall really should have banged both of them, no wait all three. I would have had more respect for him.
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2 girls? I actually haven't played this game in ages.

I thought it was more his good looks and supreme combat prowess that won him feminine attention in the end, his personality while uber-douchelike was fortunate to take a backseat after these things shone through.

Is it justice? Perhaps not but hey what are ya gonna do

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Rinoa and Quistis.. though I'm sure however many females there are in B-Garden would love to be naughty with their leader?




Then gain, I could be tripping balls.

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Squall should have definately been a ladies man.

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It's just not his department.


FF8 Banter...

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Well he did end up getting the most gourgeous one in the game (And most attractive one in whole FF series in my opinion)
So I wouldn't complan if I were him

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He didn't get Quistis!

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Let's be friends!

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Yeah that doesn't make any sense. Why would Squall dream about the opposite of what he wants? Why would he dream about being leader if he didn't want to be leader? Doesn't make sense. I would say within the game it was meant to be interpreted as literally happening within real time within the fictional universe.

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Here's my take on the Squall is Dead Theory from the Squallsdead.com website:

If the Dead theory is correct, maybe the scene of Rinoa in the spacesuit with the cracked helmet (as we all know, nothing led to her helmet ever cracking) is a real version of what happened when the Squall-less SeeD Team continued the fight without him. The only reason Rinoa survived in space was because Squall himself personally jumped out of the airlock and went after her. Then they found the Ragnarok ship. But in "no Squall world", if everything event-wise pretty much stayed the same, Rinoa would of eventually died out there, her helmet cracking from either space debris or if enough time had passed, with her oxygen and suit power gone, the suit would of frozen over and the glass would of cracked on its own. Squall's necklace on her could also be explained that after he was killed during the Ceremony Attack, she took it as a memento in memory of his sacrifice and wore it ever since.

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I am very surprised the squallsdead.com website is still up and running.

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This isn't a valid theory--nor should it even be considered a theory. It has zero evidence to support it and requires circular logic to be convincing. Squall = dead is as valid as Zell = Ultimecia. Not all theories can be considered valid just because they're possible.

The person who came up with it is making a huge leap in logic. How do you go from "there are no lead-up to certain things, so the events are weird and lots of weird stuff are introduced" to "Squall is dead and the whole thing must be a dream?" How do you go from the first point to the next? There are plenty of possible--and more plausible--explanations as to why the writers didn't lead up to certain events. Perhaps they wanted to surprise you with the events. Or perhaps they were just being lazy. And he claims that weird creatures like Moombas can only exist in Squall's dream. Why find those creatures weird when GFs are established to be real since you encounter them before his supposed death? It's a fantasy world. Such creatures can exist. To assume that Squall is dead when he has absolutely no other basis for that assumption is absolutely asinine.

And he has no other evidence. That was his main support. His other ones are even worse. Why question why Squall was alive after he was impaled? It's quite likely that Ultimecia simply wanted to incapacitate him so she could question him, which we can see later on anyway. How was she able to do that without killing him? She's a highly skilled sorceress. It's magic. How was his wound completely healed? It's magic. That's the logical assumption. It makes no sense to conclude that Squall died and he's now dreaming.

And what were the rest of his arguments? That Squall's line after Seifer's death was a foreshadowing? No. You only interpret it that way if you buy into the BS theory. All the line is meant to do is shed light on Squall's character--how he can't handle loss, how he gets attached even when he doesn't try, how awkward he is at expressing his emotions, and how self-conscious he really is. That's it. The guy does the same thing with the ending--twist it to fit his theory, ignoring everything else that's happening. It's circular logic.

The guy's mainly just trying to excuse bad writing by replacing it with terrible writing. If Squall was dead throughout the entire game, the story would be EXTREMELY horrible.

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The only FF protagonist that you can argue was killed off for real is Ramza and his party in FFTactics. You see him and sister riding around on Chocobos in the ending credits but much of that is speculated to be a fantasy. He was in another dimension with no hope of return to Ivalice and the airship he was on got blown the eff up. Plus everyone else dies in the story so it's fitting that he would do.

I don't remember Tidus' story that well. Didn't he die a long time ago but his dreams resurrected him to exist in Yuna's time or something?

"You don't fight with honor!"
"No... he did."

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No, Tidus didn't die a long time ago. Someone who looked identical to him existed in the past, but Tidus himself existed in Yuna's time as an aeon, or rather, as part of an aeoon.

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How is that even possible? I mean I don't the game that well (I tapped out about 75% of the way through) but I remember the aeons were the summoned creatures. So wait, Tidus is a summoned aeon? I thought he was more of a fleeting spirit? I'm so confused.

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Through Maechen's stories, you learn that an aeon is a dream of the fayth given form through summoning by pyreflies. For example, the child is Bahamut's fayth, his dream is Bahamut. When Yuna summons Bahamut, pyreflies make Bahamut real.

The whole point of the story is that Yu Yevon created Sin to protect him while he summoned a memorial to his lost city of Zanarkand. The fayth is the Gagazet fayth, the summoner is Yu Yevon, and the aeon is Dream Zanarkand, of which Tidus is a citizen, making Tidus part of that huge aeon. Throughout the story, you hear Tidus referred to as a "dream of the fayth," and that's synonymous with aeon.

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I generally consider myself a smart person. But man, the plots of FF reeeeally get out there in 9 and 10.

IX gets into the merging of planets which give rise to dead spirits that travel through a tree which is supposed to provide energy to a damaged planet but the roots give off a mist which creates monsters. Then you have this guy, Necron who comes out of nowhere because he wants to destroy things.

X and X-2... *beep* I don't even know what's going on. Fleeting dreams of fayth, dress spheres, summoners fighting Sin that die after they defeat it only for Sin to come back again. And then this guy that looked like Tidus dies, come back (somehow), summons Aeons that you had destroyed and wants to destroy all humanity because they killed his girlfriend. *HEAD EXPLODES*


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"No... he did."

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What are the plot holes in FFVIII? I mean I didn't find any in my (many) playthroughs, and those others who do only say that because "it wasn't VII so it sucked". By the way tvtropes.com gives a good overview why the game is actually pretty well written, even with no Fridge Logic, Plot Hole entries and just one Narm entry.

"There you go Harry, you weren't being thick after all--you were just showing moral fiber!" Ron

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I think the reason why VII usually escapes the same criticism is because VII story is much easier to follow. You feel like you understand about everything after you complete VII the first time. The first time you complete VIII, you're left with "WTF has been goin on in this game????" hahahhaha. To really get a grip on everything you need to complete the game about 2-3 times. But you know that makes the game much more fun to replay then VII

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VIII, IX, X all have ridiculously convoluted storylines, IX and X especially. I've played through them multiple times and I still don't know what the hell was going on.

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Yeah but those things are not something you get hung up on. Once you've finished the game you pretty much understand everything that's happened. As far as FFVIII goes, wow you have no idea what the hell has happened when you complete it for the first time. Still love the game though.

I'm currently playing VI and loving it so far. However the encounter rate is absolutely ridiculous. Every step you take there is an enemy waiting to fight you.

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Make sure you do everything correctly during the dinner scene with the Emperor so you'll get a Relic that cuts down on encounters. You also get a relic that eliminates all random encounters in the WoR. My advice is to take your time and enjoy the WoB. There's a temptation to play through as fast as possible because it's so linear but there are some things that you can only do in the WoB. If you have Mog and you don't go back to the Serpent Trench or Lete River then you'll never learn his Water Dance.

AND WAIT FOR SHADOW!!!

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I have no idea who mog is nor what the serpent trench or lete river is hahahahah. So far i've recruited Sabin, Edgar, Gau, Terra and Setzer. I can head my way to Kefkas tower however I still want to recruit the rest of the characters. Meaning Relm, the ninja and Strago.

I'm far gone from the world of balance so I guess i must have missed the relic that cuts down encounters.

Also what's up with the arena?? You can't actually fight instead it's all set to automatic. My characters always seem to die and the enemies are always up to lvl60 while mine are just a low 25 hahahahahahha. Atleast if I could get to controll the battle myself, I would have given those *beep* a match.

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He and Rinoa are together in the ending scene. He's not dead.

Your chains are still mine, you belong to me! - The Phantom Of The Opera

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