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The point Altman was trying to make


The movie wasn't anti-woman (as another thread suggested). It was a message to women to follow their heart instead of simply following the expectations that society has of them. Helen Hunt's character exemplified this rather obviously. She was a strong independent woman, who became one of the top golfers in the world, simply by following her dreams. She stopped playing when she got bored with it, despite the expectations that everyone had. The marriage plot drove the point through rather strongly as well. Kate Hudson's character was about to do everything that was expected of her, but she broke free and decided to follow her heart instead. We could even see her budding independence in the cheer leader class when she decided to take the phone call.

Most other women in the movie were afraid, and strongly dependent on a man (or men in general, as Altman was trying to convey), and because of this they accomplished nothing. The 60-something women organisations that worked so hard on such a pointless aspiration of getting a freeway named after an influencial woman, was an example of the low aspirations these women had. That they even had such difficulties coming up with examples of influencial women was pure irony.

That said, I found the movie boring as hell. But realizing Altman's point with it, and that nothing in the movie was as random as it first seemed to me, makes me consider rating it 3 instead of 1.

Peter

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Actually, dr T said something about a disease his wife had....he made it up of course: "disease of having everything she wanted, having people who loved her" (paraphrading)

its funny that there is a thread asking if a gynaecologist is necessary.....most of his women patients just want Dr T to give them a handjob i would think lol....

Even the lesbian bridesmaid goes to see a male gynaecologist for rash ??? LOL

Altmann is trying to say something, but its confused

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Of course it's confusing. it's just another man trying to explain woman...

Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night?

Jack Kerouac

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Excellent series of posts. A possibly interesting premise is totally derailed and undelivered by this boring trainwreck (with bad accents).

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Bravo! The key confusion is "trying to explain women"...or men for that matter.

Everyone (man woman and animal) is a result of their cultural upbringing and by them molded by further elements and levels of their exposures....to be "enslaved" to those beliefs is usually a person's folly into adulthood. It is the reason they do what they do..to hurt or do good by others (or self). In this process is key when figuring people out or developing their character. What do your characters learn?...or not learn?

The answer to understanding characters is not the sex..but their motivations by ego or non ego.

Just felt bored by it overall, and also sad for Farrah Fawcett who plays the loon that she is in real life.

AND A big factor: I don't care what woman you are..there is no way you want a handsome guy to be your gynecologist!! There is NOTHING pleasant about going to an OB GYN in the first place and to put loony crazy women in a waiting room, would add injury to reason I'm there...it just doesn't work for me (as a woman).

If there is only ONE doctor and more than two women in the waiting room..there is a problem. I would've said something direct to most of those yentas if they were in my waiting room. Mostly to Shut the f up Because if I'm in a doctor's office..... there is usually a serious reason why I'm there. And it's never funny or pleasant. The moment I walk in..I want out anyway!

but maybe if I watch this movie again...two or three times more...it might be one of those things that grows on me. Who knows..if it's on cable again and nothing else on I might give it another go.

I do give it a 4 star rating for "balls" for showing a live birth! I don't think natural things should be censored. Actually, I don't think anything should be censored or hidden. If you can't take it..then understand what you are doing before you do it...look at the ratings or change the channel. That's why we have knobs on the radio or buttons on the TV. Do your homework!

I would rather "Know" and see it....than Not!

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I'm a woman also. I found the film a bit on the "male fantasy" side. I didn't look to find whether it was written by a male or a female. If it was written by a man... I understand it perfectly.

I totally agree. Women do NOT go to a OB GYN for foreplay! For one thing, it's too damned expensive!

Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night? ~~ Jack Kerouac

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Screenwriter Anne Rapp was, and presumably still is, a woman FWIW.
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I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here.

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thank

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So we're supposed to admire the "strong" Helen Hunt for butting in on a troubled, married man and then dropping him?

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Yah...I kinda got that impression too. Helen Hunt's character seems to have no warmth...or simple human concern. I had a tough time relating to her at all. And this movie kinda just went over my head...like there was some hidden message that I just wasn't getting. I like Richard Gere, I like most of the actors in this film but I feel like there's some kind of a private joke going on that I'm just not privy to.

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Having no subtitles doesn't help either with everyone talking over each other all the time.

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The DVD has closed captions.

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Regarding the women just going for a hand job. Some professional ? Medical studies Victorian and post days have doctors opining that a great deal of the lady problems are in deed orgasm related. The lack of. Now obviously this did not include the unwashed unscented bodied hoi polloi. Indications are that the ladies might have enjoyed HAPPY ENDINGS in visits to a doctor. Personally if I was going to specialise in Gynaecology I would also want to be selective in who got on my list. I mean after all if work is a pleasure you could do it all day. How many doctors wish that their patients were actually healthy?
In those days right up until the 60s, electric shocks, lobotomy, ice baths and much more CIA? type torture visited upon the non compliant wife/daughter. The Uterus and Hysteria connection seen as fact. Mind you my wife even at 60+ shows many moments of hysteria for no great reason. Used to be quite severe. Had her whole delivery system removed when she was 24 [bar part of an ovary?] so I do understand how they made those connections.

Will shortly be watching a few of this mans work. Mash I am familiar with. Saw this in Edinburgh 1971.

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