Where's the Rapture?


How can there be a peace treaty for seven years until they have a Rapture taking place? Whoever did this movie didn't do his homework.

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The answer to your question is very simple. The pretrib rapture view is an anomaly in Christianity, and there are multiple views out there regarding the timing. Of course, most Christians believe what most Christians have believed since the beginning. That being a christian doesn't spare you totally from the coming and final persecution of the faithful. A movie that only reflected the minority pretrib rapture people would have been a movie with limited appeal.

Although the fact that it was a horrible movie did a better job of that.

Of course, there are also multiple views on all of "End Times" prophecy, and not everyone agrees with Hal Lindsey

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Well that makes sense, in this case it was post-trib, but I mean come on, there wasn't even a mark of the beast, and even A Thief In The Night had that and A Thief In The Night was like 500 times better than this crappy depiction of the end times. And I mean crappy.

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Frankly, the Rapture is never mentioned in the Bible anyway. The whole Rapture deal was invented as a rationalization for how God wouldn't put his own followers through the Tribulation. It's never mentioned in Revelation. Of course, this film never mentions the Tribulation, or the mark of the Beast, or the four horsemen, or any of the other classic Armageddon stuff, either. Most of that is missing from the nonsensical sequel, as well.

I'm more intrigued by that bit in The Passion of The Christ where Jesus is taken before Herod, who died in 4 B.C.

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Herod the Great died in 4 B.C. However, his son, Herod Antipas lived much later. I don't remember exactly when he died, but it was well after the time of Jesus.

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Someone wrote:

<Frankly, the Rapture is never mentioned in the Bible anyway. The whole Rapture deal was invented as a rationalization for how God wouldn't put his own followers through the Tribulation. It's never mentioned in Revelation. Of course, this film never mentions the Tribulation, or the mark of the Beast, or the four horsemen, or any of the other classic Armageddon stuff, either. Most of that is missing from the nonsensical sequel, as well.

I'm more intrigued by that bit in The Passion of The Christ where Jesus is taken before Herod, who died in 4 B.C.>

First, the Rapture is mentioned more than once in the New Testament: the foremost scripture being I Thessalonians 4:16 (entire passage in context: I Thess. 4:13-18). The operative word here in the original Greek is 'harpazo', which was translated 'rapturus' in the Roman Latin Vulgate Bible. We get the English word 'rapture' from this Latin word. It means 'to be caught up, filled with ecstasy'.

It fully describes Christ's coming return for His True Church, the Bride of Christ, who will all, living and dead, be caught up in the clouds with Him at His Second Coming, which the Bible tells us will be a literal return to Jerusalem, and Him literally standing with His feet on the summit of the Mount of Olives, according to a prophecy in the Tanakh, Hebrew Bible, which Christians call the Old Testament: Zechariah 14:4 (entire passage in context: Zech. 14:1-9). Also there is a reference to the Rapture in Zech. 14:5, "Then the Lord my God shall come, and all His Holy Ones with Him."
That's Ground Zero for the place of His return to Earth, according to Bible prophecy scriptures written more than two millennia ago.

Another scripture describing the Rapture is Revelation 4:1, in which the Apostle John wrote of his vision of the Rapture experience, when he saw "a door standing open in Heaven, and a voice speaking to me like a trumpet blast, saying, 'Come up here! And I will show you what must take place after this!'"
(NIV)

Also, the Herod who mocked Christ was Herod Antipas, a contemporary of Christ, son of Herod the Great, who died before Christ was born. Any Bible dictionary or commentary will tell you that. You can look it all up online!

Dejael

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The big problem with this film is everything happens to fast, biblical this all happens over 7 years.

Actually I have a problem with those films about the beginning of the Tribulation that have the Mark there right away, the Mark is initiated at the half way point.

"It's not about money.... It's about sending a Message..... Everything Burns!!!"

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how do we there is a pre trib rapture

I mean the Left behind cult fanatics runned by La Haye wont even allow a discussion on it,plus:


Considering we are in the last days how come the Churches dont have the spine to talk about Prophecy

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The Pretrib rapture theory seems to be the most popular theory. It is the one believed by Tim Lahaye, Jerry Jenkins, Mark Hitchcock, and every other Apocolyspe theorist whose works i have read.

The evidence they show for a pretrib rapture is that John is taken up to heaven at begining of the book and that the church is never mentiond after the first few chapters, during any of the tribulation. This is incredibly shallow evidence. If we were all raptured, their would be no point of writing down what will happen after we are all gone. Jesus says that we will live through the great tribulation (Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21). He says nothing of a rapture at that time. In addition to that, the "Temple of God" is mentioned in Rev 11:1, halfway through the trib and it says that the outer courts will be trampled. This "temple of God" is the christians during the trib.

The idea of the rapture is that we will be resurected after we die. Our souls will be resurected to heaven, and with the creation of the new earth, after the apocolypse, our bodies will be resurrected for us to live in throughout eternity. This is spoken of by Jesus in the gospel, Paul in 1 Chorinthians and at the end of Revelations. The idea that we will be ratured while still living, before the trib is a big misunderstanding.

And yes, Herod did die in 4 BC. I think the Herod later on was Herod III, but i'm not sure. And to clear things up, Jesus was born in Spring, 6 BC, before the first herod died.

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"How can there be a peace treaty for seven years until they have a Rapture taking place? Whoever did this movie didn't do his homework" ... To a degree, they very much did their homework. One major thing they got right was to avoid trying to pander to Dispensationalists and their rapture theory. A pre-tribulation rapture is not supported by scripture, well, not unless you bend over backwards in a long, drawn out effort to take pieces of scripture here and there out of context and reshape it into a completely make-believe event. Sorry, but this junk didn't get popular until the 19th and 20th century. It was basically popularized by John Darby, and has become an even bigger focus thanks to misleading novelists like Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins. People just don't know their scripture well enough to actually see when they are being misled, just as Jesus warned us about when dealing with false prophets. As others have said, many Christians out there believe what has been believed for 2000 years, which has zero to do with any rapture. The rapture belief doesn't reflect the whole of Christianity.

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The Rapture is mentioned in the Bible. 'Rapture' is a Latin word in common usage today to describe being 'caught up'. 1 Thessalonians ch. 4, verse 17, says 'Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in clouds to meet the Lord in the air;...'. Hence, the Rapture.

As for the timing, the Bible says the world will be carrying on as usual and the Rapture will take the world by surprise. If the Rapture didn't happen until the Battle of Armageddon at the end of the Tribulation, then everyone would be expecting it. Wouldn't you after seven years of hell on earth? Also, that's when Jesus sets foot on earth again, in the second coming. He only comes in the air at the Rapture.

It also says in Revelation ch 19, verse 14, 'And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.' Those clothed in white linen are the Bride of Christ, the Church. How can we come back with him if we haven't been taken first? Verses 7, 8, 9 of the same chapter read:

7: Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (How can the bride be ready if she hasn't been called to heaven?)
8: And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (How could she be given fine linen if she isn't present?)
9: And he saith unto me, Write. Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. (You can't have the supper without the bride being present!)

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All very enlightening folks, and you all seem exceptionally well versed in this study of the armageddon - it does fascinate us all - but do you believe it? I just can't swallow the notion that we'll destroy ourselves, and then you lucky christians (but will it be the jews or the muslims instead? oh, that'd be delicious irony) will be swept up in the clouds to meet god. Anyway, keep up the study, and i hope to swallow some more creative christian tripe next time i want an escapist film about the end of days.

On a lighter note, it does seem that any armageddon is going to hit US shores first. They seem to be the most hated nation in the world...that'd shift the balance of things, and then maybe that rancid christian right won't be so keen on seeing the ol' Revelations play itself out. They might be a bit more worried about their world-wrecking 4wheel drives.

Love yas!

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Most Christian prophecy teachers know that judgment appears to came to America before the tribulation begins.

"It's not about money.... It's about sending a Message..... Everything Burns!!!"

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