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goran + lena

posted 18 years ago by mermaid46
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how did people feel about goran throwing lena out? i'm glad he did it as he was blatantly irritated by the fact that she wanted to have an open relationship and he just took it all, being such an eager-to-please-everyone character... but i was kinda waiting their relationship to be resolved by the end of the film as well... as in her moving back in to the house at least. but it was kinda left open.

and by the by, those bedsheets in their bed were so nineties/noughties (film being set in the seventies). but it's ok. i loved this film hugely. tack lukas :)

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[–] Yakuza_Renegade 18 years ago

I don't see it as being un-resolved, I think the film implied that Goran finally made his decision and was happier for it, I don't see them getting back together as a posibility.

Just my take anyway, just finished seeing it, what a great film!

[–] AlinaArcticFire 18 years ago

I don't really see why their relationship needed to be resolved... she was depicted throughout the film as a pretty despicable character, and the real low was when she tried to fool around with the young boy (forgot his name...)

So, she didn't seem like she was going to change anytime soon. Good for Goran!

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[–] Heinsbergen 17 years ago

she deserved what she got, i guess.
i mean, if my girlfriend came to my bed at night telling me she just had her first orgasm with another dude, i'd react the same way goran did in the end.
but on the other side, she asked for his permission and he always could've said he's not up for an open relationship or for her sleeping with erik.

Where are you, Mount Everest? Give me some Everest.

[–] bartgirls 9 years ago

The nauseating feeling Göran feels is pretty real, since I've experienced it myself. A girl I really liked and I was starting to sleep with called me telling me she had just slept with her best friend and "it came as a surprise". I asked why she did it and she gave me a long explanation of open relationships (which I approve, anyway) and what she really wanted in life. I told her it hurt me but when she started nagging me about my own feelings, I knew it was time to break up. And it was hard but... man, what body this lady had! :)

I cheered when Göran kicked her out. It was the best moment of the movie, when you have the annoying and abusive husband at the door, a gay couple recently formed, a 14 year old kid who wouldn't put any abuse anymore, another kid who starts to stand for himself and his 13 year old sister ready to start feeling good with herself IN A NON SEXUAL WAY.

Good movie, I have to say.

[–] jamiemorrison20 17 years ago

The sheets are Marimekko (Finnish brand) and were designed in the seventies (possibly sixties, even). They do look quite contemporary, true, but for many Nordic people, they (like everything else in this movie!) are as seventies as they come. :)

[–] gailforce12 17 years ago

What the film showed was that the ideal of open relationshipsa and everyone being cool was really never going to work as people inevitable get involved and attached. Jealousies ensue always. The relationship of Goran's sister and her husband added a light into the house of the nature of what other peoples relationships are like.

Lena was in my book bad news. She had no scruples in the way she tried to seduce the little boy - that was terrible. It upset the little girl as well.

Goran was justified in his actions.

[–] jonsannes 17 years ago

It seemed to me that most of the adults were often insensitive to the feelings of others, even in denial of their own feelings at times.

The girl said, "God, all adaults are idiots." In her life, that had some truth.

That insensitivity built up the suspense for me in this movie. I kept waiting for things to blow up between people.

Gorans outburst for example was sudden, but not really such a surprise.

[–] muteme 16 years ago

The bit where Goran snaps is probably one of my favourites scenes from any film, ever (along the the sudden dinner spillage :0) )

It's hard though, I find, to think of Lena too harshly. Her lowest points painted her as being more childish than malevolent. I think it's why the scene with her and Fredrik didn't strike me as being quite as dodgy as it could, considering he comes across as the more grown-up one. Goran and Lena's relationship was, I guess, inevitably going to end that way, but for me it was down to how much of a ludicrous little girl she was acting than her consciously using Goran.

All in all, though, good for Beardie! (Lena is astoundingly beautiful, mind you. *blush*)

[–] perorewen 15 years ago

I really like the way she says early in the film that she didn't know much about politics and the philosophy behind socialism, she just didn't want to become like her mother. Yet the person she calls in the end is her mother, while yelling "I want to come home!"

I don't think Lenas and Görans relationship is unresolved. He is inspired by his sisters outburst, and flips. As viewers, we've been waiting for it. Lena goes home to her mother, where I believe she stays for a while. Göran even seems to gain more energy after he throws her out (visible in the way he runs out to play football). He knows all the way he should leave her, but his good nature forbids him. When finally he manages to do it, it is like a weight is lifted from his shoulders, and he finally seems really really happy.

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They blew up Congress!!! HAHAHA!

[–] bite_me_loser_86 13 years ago

I don't think that was the point of the movie at all. The movie merely showed that open relationships don't work IF both parties aren't 100% okay with it. Göran just agreed to it because he was talked into it by Lena. He wasn't at all happy with it, but chose to play along and hide his jealousy. While I had no sympathy for Lena, I thought Göran had himself to blame, because he could have put his foot down from the beginning. Lena never forced him into anything. Granted she was pretty insensitive and set on having it her way, but I Göran was an adult too and should have been more firm from the start.

I personally believe it it possible for people to be in open relationship as long as both parties feel comfortable and secure in it and there is mutual respect.
I haven't ever been in one myself, nor would I ever consider, because I know that I am a jealous person, but just because I can't see myself being happy in an open relationship I'm not going to assume no one else can.

[–] bite_me_loser_86 13 years ago

You teach people how to treat you. Göran had taught Lena that she could treat him like a door mat. Göran was a genuinely good guy, eager to please and make people around him feel happy and comfortable, but people that never set any boundaries and let people get away with anything, will always end up getting used and abused. She knew this and had no respect for him, because he was a total push-over. You can tell there was obviously no strong attraction there either, probably for the same reason... Lena came across as a typical immature young woman who was constantly seeking confirmation. This is why she was even stooped as low as to flirting with and iposing herself on a 14-year-old boy after the Olle Sarri's character (the young, militant guy) had moved away, she just wanted to feel attractive and wanted. She was just taking advantage of Göran, while also basking in his admiration for this very same reason.

You could tell there were times when Göran wanted to say something but didn't. I personally got more satisfaction out of the scene where he comes into her room with a plate of food and she ignores him and lays there sulking under the cover... and he spills the food on her. I was JUST telling him to do exactly that only seconds before he did it! It's totally something I could see myself doing.

[–] subscriptions-67427 8 years ago

Lena totally deserved it. Not because of the open relationship since Goran approved it (even if he is reluctant). But because she was emotionally more involved with the other guy than Goran. It seemed like she didn't have any feelings for Goran anymore and was using him for free rent.