It's not, see this post by le samourai delon from earlier in the thread:
Actually, I think someone would have to be an idiot to miss the numerous threads of sexual repression and guilt at work in this movie - everything from DeDe having been a former porn star, to Logan obsessed with the night he *beep* Jessica, to the crime boss conceiving the heist at an orgy, the crime boss being sodomized by the bank owner, the heist taking place in a BATH HOUSE with a bunch of nearly-naked men all cavorting in the water together. Yes, in this context, I would say repressed sex/sexual desires/sexual impulses is a huge part of this movie. And when you have the main character sweating in a skimpy speedo (with the title "Sexy Beast" scrolled over him) and he's making eyes with the half-naked pool boy, it stands to reason there is definitely some intention homoeroticism going on here from Jonathan Glazer. Now, whether that means Gal was sleeping with the pool boy is up for debate (I don't think so) - but to call someone an idiot for rightly assessing the movie's obvious and blatant themes of male sexuality is idiotic in and of itself.
It is moronic. It's how a 14 year old sex obsessed child watches a movie.
First of all, let's get one thing perfectly straight. It's not "some intention homoeroticism", it's paedophilia and if you think Gal was a peadophile then you're a moron as well.
Let's go over your reasoning.
Deedee was a porn star sure.
Logan wasn't obsesses with Jessica. He was just doing that to manipulate the situation and hurt them.
I think the orgy was thrown in to show that the "elite" of london mingled there.
I think the buggering was to thrown in so there would be a gay crime boss for whatever reason.
The BATH HOUSE was there because they had to have a source of water for the heist.
As for the nearly-naked men, they weren't cavorting. They were working. Underwater. For hours. You expect them to be fully dressed while working for hours underwater?
The main character sweating (because it is boiling hot outside in the sun in Spain) in a skimpy speedo (because that is what he wears so he can tan) making eyes (moronic conclusion) with the half-naked pool boy (because he is a pool boy. You expect him to wear a tuxedo while he attend to the pool?)
Again, if you or anyone else thinks Gal was sleeping with the pool boy, making eyes with the pool boy, or interested in the pool boy, you're a moron.
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antvolley
9 years ago
You resort to ad hominem "arguments" and call ME a moron?!?! C'mon man this isn't 4chan, can't we be civil?
Again, neither of us stated that Gal's sleeping with the pool boy, I think it's deliberately ambiguous, but to ignore one of the main themes of the film takes away from it's brilliance as a multi=layered piece of art.
Also, the scene when Teddy Bass (Ian McShane's character) is buggered has NOTHING to do with "there being a gay crime boss for whatever reason" (you don't make yourself seem very analytical with statements like this, on a thread specifically dedicated to analysing this film), it is to show the lengths that Teddy will go to in order to inveigle himself with Harry in order to start the chain of events leading up to the heist itself.
So we're not talking about homosexuality being one of the main themes of the film, but, as le samourai delon wrote: "repressed sex/sexual desires/sexual impulses", homoeroticism being a part of such.
Also, (again, you misread the film here completely) the gang did NOT need "a source of water for the heist" (tell me, WHY would they, and what in the film supports this assertion?), one of the pools in the bath house just happened to be right next to the main vault. The water COMPLICATES the heist (the need for diving equipment etc) and doesn't help the gang AT ALL. It would obviously have been easier to drain the pool and then break through the wall but as stated in the film they only have a small window of time (I believe it's 6 hours?) and this would not have been possible.
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Pequod88
9 years ago
"Again, neither of us stated that Gal's sleeping with the pool boy, I think it's deliberately ambiguous..."
Gal is not sleeping with the pool boy. There is no ambiguity. Gal loves Deedee with all his heart, as he says and as we see. They have each escaped less reputable occupations to find love and happiness against long odds. The pool boy is like a surrogate son. We see this established at the outset of the film. The paternal nature of Gal's affection for the boy could not be clearer. That danger is immanent, that the idyllic life Gal and Deedee have established is at risk, is foreshadowed with the boulder's arrival. It narrowly misses harming Gal, as will be the case with Don. Don threatens Gal and his "family." The stake couldn't be higher. Gal could be killed for refusing to take part in the heist, killed for Don's death, or returned to jail should the heist go wrong.
Sexy Beast is much richer and deeper than a "heist" film. While I agree that themes of repression and desire are at play, I believe the pool boy is a son figure, not a target of Gal's repressed lust. It is Don who is repressed. He rebukes himself in the mirror while shaving. He has told Gal that he "quite liked [Jackie]." Jackie has also found happiness. Aitch makes her laugh and she loves him. Jackie is the real reason Don has invited Gal to take part in the heist. He is alone "watching telly" when the call comes regarding the heist. He has not found the love and happiness that Gal has. He has not escaped the pack of violent criminals, and envies Gal. He is loath to admit this, even to himself.
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haileybaron
9 years ago
I love how your interpretation of the film is the only true and correct one. While anyone else's (different from yours) is just "wrong"
I'm sure Gal does love his wife very much. And he's doing the pool boy too. PROVE me wrong!
Of course you can't.
And I can't prove Im right.
Everyone get over yourselves. Unless you wrote the movie you have no idea.
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jimmysmitsimdb
9 years ago
I'm not specifically calling you a moron. I'm calling anyone who thinks that Gal is nailing the poolboy is a moron. Oh, and I'll calling that pstravinksy a pervert because anyone who looks at a 13 year old and says "he's highly doable" (His specific words) is a pervert.
It's not ambiguous. It's not a possibility. Anyone who thinks it is a possibility or that the movie leaves it as ambiguous is a moron.
Teddy didn't do that to get close to the banker. Before that, Teddy didn't know Harry. Teddy thought of the job after he met Harry, not before. So why was there a gay crime boss? What did it add to the movie? What motive did it explain? The answer is "It didn't add anything." Having the banker named Harry or Harriet wouldn't change the movie one bit.
Everyone talks about one of the themes being "repressed sex." I don't see it. The only thing repressed was the desire to act against Don because they both were scared to death of him.
I saw the water as what takes out all of the security & surveillance equipment in the vault. Sure, the water complicated the heist but it was needed. If they didn't need the water, then why not drain it? I saw your point about it taking too long, but even if it would take time, why not start draining it? I don't think it would take that long and even if it did, as the water drained the heist would be easier as it drained. They needed the water for the heist.
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antvolley
9 years ago
Go back to the flashback scene within a flashback when the "underboss" with the glasses is explaining to Don about the orgy..."and who's sitting behind him? Only the boss of (name of the bank)"....pointing to the fact that Teddy knows who he is. And like I said I don't think it's a sign of Teddy's homosexuality as much as his willingness to do anything to get in with Harry. Teddy would know of the bank no matter how much they didn't need to advertise, it was his job.
Lots of reviewers picked up on the repressed sex themes in the film, here's just one. http://www.avclub.com/article/the-new-cult-canon-isexy-beasti-2411
And even if the water could be drained in time (it couldn't, do you know how long it takes to drain a small swimming pool?) if the robbers were masked up I fail to see how the cameras would be a problem. If there were 24 hour security guards observing the cameras in the vault then they'd have known something was wrong as soon as the wall broke open and water started pouring in! If there weren't round the clock guards observing the cams then it didn't matter either way.
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haileybaron
9 years ago
Wow, the idea of this scares you a lot doesn't it? You might want to look deep into yourself to see why you're so over the top nuts about this. To the point that you're yelling and name calling over it. Lol
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