Do they really have sex?


Did they really have sex? Cuz when I was watching it I was kinda freaking out cuz I dont like T/K pairing, but I was a bit relieved too see it was over preety soon...but did they have sex? Is it just the moment when Tomoe throws her head back? I´ve seen it several times, but since Kenshin is clothed and, well, you know...I dont know, I thought they hadn´t had sex. Maybe Im just slow.
Can anyone please tell me if they did? thanks a lot.

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I think it's pretty obvious that they did. She was his 'sheath'. Get it?

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they did it and it was awesome..

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Don't forget the other purpose of a sheath, to make sure you don't hurt yourself or others accidently. Look at the breakfast scene. Even the other people in the inn who were his comrades were afraid that he might just turn loose on any/all of them.

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if i recall correctly kenshin and tomoe doesnt have sex with eachother but i could be wrong about that hmm maybe i will check it out tonight i have the dvd..if it happens then it must of happened in part 3 of the ova

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Yeah they do. One thing i'm glad about is that there wasnt a big point made out of it, it harnessed the fact that they were making love and not just "having sex". Other wise it would've been hentai-worthy... which is sick... and detracts away from the main story.

"Love...? ... Is that why he's so strong?"

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yes they made love..i watched it last night and they make love

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no they just hold eacother and then kenshin undresses her..then tomoe falls in his arms and they cuddle but you can assume they make love..you dont see it acctually happen if you know what i mean, you should really watch this ova

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They keep their clothes on. I think they wanted to keep this from happening since it might upset fans that know that Kenshin will marry Kaoru later, and they might think it messes up things. Besides, Kenshin is 15 years old and Tomoes is like 17, so by Asian standards that would be VERY, erm, off.

So the answer is no.

All the best people have bad chest and bone diseases. It's all frightfully romantic!

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Age fifteen was legal age and Kenshin calls Tomoe "my wife" when telling Kaoru about her in the manga. Did you read any of the rest of this thread?

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They should have just cut from them swooning in each others arms to Tomoe in a bathrobe smiling and frying eggs. Then Kenshin walks in and gives her a peck on the cheek. THAT would have removed all the ambiguity.

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whateva makes you go to sleep at night man

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Yes and I was so happy they had sex! I couldn't stop giggling though lol!

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Tomoe:Kenshin,talk dirty to me!

Kenshin:I'm going to-to-to(snore)

Tomoe:Wha' the?Son of a...

So yes they had the sex.

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they defiately made love. it was brillant the way that it was shown. if anything more was shown it might have been more like cool devices.

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yea they made love...best night in Himura's whole life.

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I don't believe they did. They didn't in the manga and I don't think they would've changed it. Though in the manga he didn't even undress her, they jsut kind of cuddled under the blanket...or rather...sat under it together. And fifteen is kind of young isn't it? For a boy at that time...

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Kenshin sleeps sitting against a wall, holding his katana, yet after that night, he sleeps in the bed. While they don't flat out say "THEY MAKE LOVE", it subtly conveyed, and focused on more through the emotion of what that night means, that they finally love each other.

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I agree with the first poster. T/K pairing is despicable. Anyway, I never even liked Tomoe's character. Most Japanese anime depict women as weak, servant creatures who aren't even worth a grain of rice. Bleurgh!

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To clarify, anime women (especially in the feudal eras) were depicted as weak, servant creatures because this is the way it really was in their history. Men were dominant and women were expected to obey and follow their orders. It's unfortunate, but true. That's the way it was though, so I easily accept it.
Now that mentality has dwindled to some extent, but you can definitely still see it a little bit in their culture today. It's definitely not nearly as prevalent as it used to be before the meiji era though. And honestly, after much research throughout the years, I firmly believe that Japanese don't really dwell on it to the extent that we americans do. That doesnt mean that feminism doesn't exist in Japan, but I just feel that it's not as big there. Otherwise, less and less anime, movies, tv shows, game shows, billboards, manga...(the list goes on) wouldn't have its fair share of "fan service" in them

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No, they did.

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Why yes, yes they do. I won't go into the details, but if you watch the scene again it should be pretty obvious. I mean, what's stranger is the thought that they both got half-naked, snuggled up, and DIDN'T do it. >,>;;
Also, for clarification, in old Japan it was customary for couples to make love while wrapped together in their robes. For modesty or something, I suppose. Please don't ask me how I know this... <,<

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In the manga, the scene plays the exact same way, so it's up to your imagination. Anywho, considering Kenshin ALWAYS sleeps sitting against a wall, and there he sleeps in the bed with her after they finally show their love to each other...well, like they say in Angel "They sure ain't having tea and cookies!"

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I think Kenshin was 18 at least 16 when this happened.

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Kenshin is 15 (soon to turn 16 on the New Year) and Tomoe is 18.

We never see Kenshin sleeping in Otsu except when he's asleep in the futon the morning after he and Tomoe talk. Personally, I think they did it every night during their stay there. He was already head over heals for her when Katsura sent them to Otsu and in the manga they married for real.

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Get over it. Tomoe and Kaoru do not compete with each other. Kenshin loved them both and he was a very different person at the time of each relationship.
Here's a quote from the manga:
Kaoru: You can't sleep, Tsubame? Can't help it, I guess . . . This is scary. I'm sorry you had to be involved.

Tsubame: Oh. No, it's not that. It's just, Tomoe . . and Kenshin . . . I feel so sorry for them.

Megumi: I wonder if you should feel sorry for Tomoe. To die protecting the one you love . . . She literally loved him until the day she died. That's not bad. If I had been in her place, I would have done the same thing, without a second thought.

Tsubame (thinking): Megumi . . .

Kaoru: Maybe you're right . . . But her fate was sad. Between two men, one she killed and one who killed her . . . The two men she loved were two sides of the same coin, as if there was some karmic connection she couldn't escape. If Kiyosato hadn't met Kenshin . . . If Kenshin hadn't been the one to kill him . . . I think Tomoe was a very rational person. That's why, when she had to choose between Kiyosato and Kenshin, she couldn't even compare them . . .

Megumi: You're taking her side pretty strongly.

Kaoru: That wasn't my intention.

Megumi: Don't tell me you're admitting defeat to a dead woman!

Kaoru: I am not! It's not about winning or not winning!

Megumi: Oh really? Then if you had been in her position, could you have died like she did?

Kaoru: I couldn't.

Megumi: I thought not.

Kaoru: That's not what I meant! If I died, then Kenshin would blame himself and be in more pain. That's why, no matter what happens, I will not die!

Megumi: You--then you'd have forgotten all about Kiyosato. You're not in Tomoe's situation at all.

Kaoru: Oh . . .

Megumi: But . . . that's all right. I don't want to see Ken-san hurt any more either. And you're not a substitute for Tomoe. (turning back into bed) Well, let's get some sleep. If we talk any more about this Tsubame will break.



Back on topic: The fact that they have sex is hugely important to the story, because it validates their marriage. Many people don't get that when we see them approaching a shrine they get married. This is quite subtle to western eyes, but it's the same as showing a western couple walking into a church together. It's somewhat more clear in the manga. That mirror Kenshin buys is Tomoe's wedding present ( and in fact a traditional gift for such an occasion). However, their marriage was a sham as long as it remained unconsummated, which clearly didn't happen until that scene, as you see them sleeping across the room from each other. Keep in mind that in the manga, Kenshin always refers to Tomoe as his wife.
Finally, when two people get partially undressed and cuddle under a blanket, what do you think they are doing?


PS: Age 15 was legal age back then. It's remarked in the manga that Kenshin had just turned 15 when he married Tomoe.
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The fact that they have sex is hugely important to the story, because it validates their marriage. Many people don't get that when we see them approaching a shrine they get married. This is quite subtle to western eyes, but it's the same as showing a western couple walking into a church together. It's somewhat more clear in the manga. That mirror Kenshin buys is Tomoe's wedding present ( and in fact a traditional gift for such an occasion). However, their marriage was a sham as long as it remained unconsummated, which clearly didn't happen until that scene, as you see them sleeping across the room from each other. Keep in mind that in the manga, Kenshin always refers to Tomoe as his wife.
Finally, when two people get partially undressed and cuddle under a blanket, what do you think they are doing?


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Yes they did. Or at least it was implied. Remember that in the past, a boy at teenage years would already be considered a man and mature enough to procreate. Same applies to women. So age is not an issue here.

As someone in this thread said, Tomoe and Kenshin definitely did it because the act has a symbolic significance of consummating their marriage i.e. their marriage was not a sham.

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