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Relationship between Zidler and Satine


I always thought of him as her father figure, he clearly adored her and she him. And he was kind to her. But there was a line where she says "all my life you've made me believe I was worth nothing more that what someone was willing to pay for me" and it made me think about their relationship a bit more. Not that he sexually abused her or anything but how young she was when she started working there. For her to use the term "all my life" when she would have only started working there as a teen at the youngest, is kinda troubling.

Could she have been younger when she started?

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I think is she very young (at the age of ten) to work in moulin rouge??And Lurhman said that in the movie Satine was 26 so i believe maybe she was 16 when she arrived in moulin rouge.Also i don't think he care about her as a person but as an "employee".Only in the "show must go on" scene he understand and sympathise her(we are creatures of the uderworld)+(in the come what may finale when he punch in the face the duke).

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He does care about her as a person, but not as much as he cares about his survival.

They're both from the ugly bottom of society, and poverty or the fear of poverty has always motivated everything they've ever done, even after they started making a bit of money. IMHO they've always understood that about each other, and it hasn't stopped their relationship from being affectionate as well as mutually exploitative. But Satine's love for Christian allowed her to forget her fear of poverty for a little while, while Zidler never lost it for a moment. You can see the neverending terror in his eyes every moment he's on camera, both when he's trying to sell her or when he realizes that one way or another - he's losing her.


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A father figure? Seriously? He tries to pimp her out to the Duke. He promises her that if she hops into bed with the Duke, her dreams will come true. I don't know what father figure you had in your life but my father figure (my father) encouraged me to make my dreams come true by going to college and getting a job in my field.

And my father figure wouldn't sign over the deed to his business to ensure I hop into a bed with a man I barely know and don't love.

Lizzie

To love another person is to see the face of God! - Les Miserables

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It may sound ludicrous to someone who lives in a first world country that people would sell their daughters to a rich family for marriage, but that is exactly what used to happen and is still happening.

The choice is simple - either sell your daughters for a good sum so that the rest of your family could continue to survive, or perish "as a family".

Satine could continue to work as a fancy prostitute or she could be the "kept" lady of a rich baron. Given their circumstances, it would be as good as anything Zidler could offer her. It's really a win-win if modern morality wasn't applied. I suspect Zidler honestly did want the best for Satine, even if he used her for his own purposes.

Don't try to apply a modern, first-world mentality to a very different time and place. Women didn't have the same liberties or opportunities they enjoy now. Even if Satine had gotten a solid education and skillset, chances are she would have been discriminated at every turn.

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Oh good grief. Poor girls weren't sold to rich families for marriage. Rich girls married rich men in exchange for a dowry. Poor girls were also shuffled into marriage but it was to other poor families. We still have that today even in first world countries. Poor girls sold to rich families served the wealthy families. They weren't elevated to members of the wealthy family. Marriage was a way to expand a family's power and prestige. You don't just take a girl whose family is on the brink of starvation as a wife for your son. What good does that do you? 

And Satine's choices were to be a prostitute or a kept lady (still a prostitute)? She seemed to have wealthy men throwing money at her simply for singing, wearing elaborate costumes and dancing. But, yeah, she only had two choices. Good grief. 

Zidler pimping her out to the Duke is as good as anything he could give Satine? Really? Good grief. When we first see Satine, the Moulin Rouge is packed with men wearing top coats and top hats. When Satine descends on her trapeze, these men are rendered speechless. In this place, packed with hundreds of people, you can hear a pin drop so mesmerized are they were the Sparkling Diamond. Then, the minute she starts to sing, they start throwing money at her. Yet, despite the fact that business is booming and Satine is the star of the Moulin Rouge, they must have the Duke in order to turn their singing and dancing business into a different kind of singing and dancing business. Good grief. And, of course, when the Duke agrees to invest, Zidler sees him have a complete breakdown and refer to Satine as his personal property. But, yes, the Duke certainly was the best Zidler could do for Satine. He truly had no other options. Good grief. 

Lizzie

To love another person is to see the face of God! - Les Miserables

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Housefan2,

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And the academy award for most use of 'Good Grief' in a post goes to...

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Agreed. Well-said. Context is important to consider in these scenarios.

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I think he was as much of a father figure to her as he could be as her employer. Obviously he was primarily her pimp -- however, it is telling that in the end he punches the Duke, jeopardizing the Moulin Rouge. In a way, in my opinion, he loves Satine.


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