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Dogme?

posted 16 years ago by perorewen
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So, it's some years since I saw this film, so I don't quite remember. But is it a dogme film?

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[–] BwlBoy 16 years ago

A complete list of Dogme films can be found at the following link http://www.dogme95.dk/dogme-films/filmlist.asp

You will notice that Rosetta is absent so the answer is no it is not a Dogme film.

[–] perorewen 15 years ago

Well, taking a look at that list, I notice that most of the films listed are not real films. This list is highly unserious, and not reliable at all. So, except from some of the first films mentioned there, I will not pay attention to that list at all.

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[–] BwlBoy 15 years ago

I find your response more than a bit puzzling as that list comes from the Official Dogme 95 site.

[–] perorewen 15 years ago

I know it's the official site, but it also says on the newsfeed that they stopped registering films years ago. The dogme list hasn't had an official film entry for years. Just check, you'll see.

Now anyone can "apply", which automatically gives them an entry on the list, without anyone checking if the films are actually real or not. Look at the last 50 or 100 "films" on the list. They're not real. Look at the titles, the "directors" and "producers". The films are fake.

So yes, I only trust the 30 or so first titles on that list.

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[–] Luminousoctaves 15 years ago

The Dogme manifest was, honestly, just a (great) trick. I definitely consider ”Rosetta” to be in the same leauge of films as ”The Idiots” and ”Festen” etc. Same presence, same attitude towards cinema making etc. Realistic, but still story telling.

Why bother about details. I think ”Rosetta” is a way better and more realistic experience than most Dogme (Dogma!)-films.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the manifest. But a manifest automatically don't make great films.

[–] perorewen 14 years ago

Well, personally I'm no great fan of Dogme (the name is Dogme95, not dogma), and yes it was a big trick, Lars Trier has always been good at that.

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[–] Filmsweep-by-Persona 14 years ago

I am a huge dogme fan. While Rosetta wasn't made to be a dogme film and won't be found on a dogme list, as I remember it, it certainly holds to the spirit of dogme filmmaking. Most of the Dardennes works are like this, most notably, The Son. I think even the recent Lorna's Silence was very much in this hand held, quiet, no visual tricks or weapons and no soundtrack spirit, IIRC. (I've seen The Son quite a few more times, I've only seen Lorna's Silence once.)

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[–] ig7 13 years ago

The film certainly ticks most of the Dogme 95 boxes:

1. The film shall be made on location without imported props.
2. A soundtrack shall not be added later - music can only occur within the scene.
3. The camera shall be hand-held.
4. The film shall be in color without special lighting.
5. Optical work and filters are forbidden.
6. The film shall not contain superficial action (murders, weapons, etc.).
7. The film shall take place in the here and now.
8. The film shall not be made in a genre.
9. The format shall be Academy 35 mm.
10. The director shall not be credited.

I guess rule 9 should have said the current default aspect ratio e.g. not a distracting or arty super-widescreen. That leaves only 10 as the rule clearly ignored.