the end
is de winters wearing handcuffs in the final scene of the film?
shareAt the end I saw the handcuffs in Joseph hands, but not in Pharaon's
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I think I saw him wearing them. Around the wrists. Probably best not to try to make something of it. Though I wouldn't know why thát is, either.
I didn't catch this, so I just fast forwarded to that part and the last shot is, indeed, De Winter wearing hand cuffs.
This isn't something to be ignored, it's there for a reason.
Here's what I think-
Joseph didn't do it, De Winter did. De Winter, the entire movie, wanted it to be Joseph because he was a jerk and he wanted Domino. However, if you think about De Winter's character, it's entirely plausible that he himself did it. Think back to certain scenes with De Winter and other characters - the uneasy looks he gives them (such as the mayor) as if he might be found out, and the look Joseph gives him in one of the scenes where they're alone. The end where De Winter confronts Joseph is just a dream, as the last shot is De Winter looking out the window daydreaming.
Or, you can take this metaphorically and somehow conclude that De Winter is restricted in his small town and small life, etc. etc.
That is a nice analogy, I expected that as well. But I wonder what Bruno Dumont would say of the actual meaning.
sharethis movie also could have been called "La vie de Jesus"... De Winter is so compassionate, it takes with him all the misery of the world, and the crime of Joseph as well. (like before he kiss a prisonner, hugs the nurse, pat the pig, kiss Joseph). It's "L'humanite", we are all guilty, and all innocent.
sharethis movie also could have been called "La vie de Jesus"... De Winter is so compassionate, it takes with him all the misery of the world, and the crime of Joseph as well. (like before he kiss a prisonner, hugs the nurse, pat the pig, kiss Joseph). It's "L'humanite", we are all guilty, and all innocent.I agree, and I think that's why we see Pharaon is wearing handcuffs at the end. Or is he really? We don't know. On the audio commentary on the DVD, the director says it was intentional to show it that way, without a close-up on his hands, so that you don't know if he's wearing handcuffs or not. Dumont doesn't give further explanations: I think he wants the viewer to make his own opinion and interpretation, rather than giving him all the informations.
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I now think that maybe he's wearing the handcuffs to be more like Joseph, as Joseph had Domino and all. It could be a wish or a next step to become more like him.. I don't know. I think there's more to it, maybe. I need to watch it again.
shareI'm surprised you guys didn't get the part about the handcuffs.
Of course De Winter didn't do it. Why would Joseph cry like that if he didn't do it?
Joseph did it.
No no no, the main theme of the movie is De Winters struggle with humans. He wants to accept humans as "one person", and he didn't want to write off the killer and rapist of the little girl as something inhuman/evil. He was destined to accept and relate to and love that person, whoever it was, and understand it as a human. As a part of humanity as a whole.
You could see it made De Winter depressed through the whole movie. He was clearly struggling with humans, he saw no hope in them. He couldn't understand why someone would do that.
I think the handcuffs is just a way of saying that we're all humans. We all have that thing in us, like Joseph, to some degree at least. De Winter didn't try to distance himself, but rather see himself as a part of it.
Hmmmm,
Now you see I thought De Winter was some kind of angel and took Josephs place. Maybe I'm kind of crazy tho. I could have sworn he was floating in the allotments.... around the 2 hour markish.
No one else notice that?
I really agree with what a-moss said.
I really liked this film - but I think it doesn't make sense for De Wintre to have been the killer. I'm sure the police had his DNA on file and the fact that sperm was found in the girl's vagina meant that he would have been found out almost immediately had he actually done it.
And I do take his scenes with the Algerian man, the nurse and Joseph to mean that he's gay... I never really saw him as being attracted to Domino, moreso being drawn to her because she was nice to him and didn't treat him like an idiot.
"On the audio commentary on the DVD"
Which DVD version has an audio commentary? As far as I was aware there was are two different DVD versions; one has an interview with Dumont and the other has only a written bio of Dumont (despite stating that a trailer for the film is also included on the disc). I wasn't aware that Dumont had done commentaries for any of his films.
Wow! I'm glad i came to this website. I didn't notice the handcuffs on DeWinter at the final scene of the movie! I guess his friend being the guilty party was just a fantasy.
And at the beginning of the movie was actually just him running away from the girl he just killed.
Also, if you remember, his mother tells the girl who lives down the street that her son had a woman and a son, but lost them. Lost them how? Did he kill them too? It was left unopened.
It was kind of a weird movie, but good... But he was kinda a nimrod to be a cop.
Would he be working as a police if he killed them?
The most logical way to look at the end is to take a hint from the title. His strong empathy was his curse and his gift. The end was symbolic (IMO) of the way he felt at the end.
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Pharaon sacrificed himself for saved Domino of sorrow, he know this pain because he loss his wife. He grants forgiveness to Joseph. His kiss abolished "evil", it will be re-used in the movie Hors Satan, and the sacrifice too... It s a modern interpretation of Jesus Christ, Dumont want created a spirituality detached of the religious sphere.
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