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Godzilla Bad in Original,Good in Sequels?


I'm here because I always thought that besides the Original Godzilla was a "Good Guy(Dinosaur)" in the sequels. Am I right about this? Please I'd like to know...

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Godzilla is bad in the first four Godzilla movies, good for eleven more, then bad again for another thirteen, not counting the American release.

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Notice how the Gamera cycle imitated this, as well? In the first film(s), he is portrayed as a danger, then later becomes a "friend to children."

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After the 1st movie Godzilla was bad, until Godzilla vs Hedorah (a.k.a. Godzilla vs the Smog Monster), or at least that is what I heard. Then in Godzilla 84 (or 85) he was a bad guy. Also he was like this in Godzilla vs Biollante. The next movie (vs King Ghidorah, 1991) he was a mix of both. VS Mothra movies (there were 2 of them) he was bad, or else Mothra would never be good. VS Spacegodzilla he was good (at least when he started to fight Spacegodzilla) and VS Mechagodzilla 2 he wasn't all good (you have to see it to understand). The last of the Heisei series (84-95 movies) VS Destroyah he was both good and bad (have to see it). The Millenium (spelled wrong) series, Godzilla 2000-Final Wars, he was (at some points) an unlikely hero, especially in the end (of some of them).



Note: what I mean by bad is when he is a threat to humans (good is the opposite).

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Actually he was a bad guy until around the second half of ghidrah the three headed monster when mothera made him a good guy.

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in the Heisie(Spelled it wrong) He never really was a straight up good guy he was more of an Anti-Hero if anything and really just killed anything that got in his way. in the Millenium series it was kinda the same thing even in Final was but in GMK he was just a striaght up bad guy.

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This post here is a two parter, but to answer the questions...

1. Godzilla isn't a villain.
2. There are TWO Godzillas

Part One: Godzilla ins't evil...

"Monsters are tragic creatures. They are not evil. They are simply made too big, too heavy. That is why they must be destroyed." ~ Ishiro Honda (Director)

The movie "Gojira" was essentially World War II through the eyes of a Japan. It contained both Godzilla as a metaphor for the atomic bomb and a rather sharp criticism of the Japanese military. Most of the political stuff is cut out for the Americanized version "Godzilla: King of the Monsters," but in the original, Godzilla was as much a victim as anyone. The atomic bomb dropped on Japan resurrected a small island deity named 'Gojira' and caused him to grow to massive proportions. It also gave him the ability to harvest nuclear energy.

Like any animal, Godzilla was territorial. As a result, when ships came into his waters, he destroyed him in a sea of flames. The Japanese government assumed it was mines left over from the War, but they had all been cleared out and there was no declaration of impact, only the sea turning into fire. After a few more attacks, the Japanese government decided to start dropping bombs on Godzilla. Godzilla came onto shore and warned them, but they continued to attack. The more Japan provoked Godzilla, the more aggressive he became. I had always wondered why the city was protected by High Tension Wires, but left defenseless otherwise. This, as it turns out, was symbolic of the Japanese military crowding the front lines with soldiers, then leaving everything else almost entirely defensless. Once American troops broke through, they were defenseless. And yet, the Japanese military would not surrender until finally they were attacked not once, but twice with the Atom Bomb (Godzilla's two attacks on Tokyo). The only scene in the film that makes it to the Western world that displays any kind of compassion for Godzilla is the scene where the professor says "Godzilla should not be destroyed, he should be studied."

In the end, Doctor Serizawa is forced to use the Oxygen Destroyer to defeat Godzilla, but gives his life so that such a powerful weapon will never be used again... Godzilla is killed not because he is a monster, but because humanity is a monster.

Part Two: The Second Godzilla

In the sequel, Godzilla Raids Again (Godzilla's Counterstrike), a second Godzilla is found alive on an island. That Godzilla would go on to star in a total of 21 films including Showa and Heisei and also explains how Godzilla reappeared after his entire body was destroyed. While this particular Godzilla was originally villified as a creature of destruction, he converted to being a hero in the film Ghidrah: The Three Headed Monster in which an even stronger, more dangerous opponent arrived. Mothra's faeries translated the conversation between Godzilla and Monthra in which Godzilla says "Why should I care about humanity? They've caused me nothing but pain." Later, when Mothra is getting dominated by Ghidrah, Godzilla is driven to shame at seeing the small larva fight for what she believes in and he joins in the struggle to save humanity.

Never again would Godzilla attack humanity unless first attacked (as with the evil Red Bamboo faction from Godzilla versus the Sea Monster) or if his mind was being controled (Godzilla versus Monster Zero/Destroy All Monsters).

Godzilla I
1. Godzilla: King of the Monsters

Godzilla II as villain
2. Godzilla Raids Again
3. King Kong versus Godzilla
4. Godzilla versus Mothra
5. Ghidrah: The Three Headed Monster (First 2/3)

Godzilla II as hero
5. Ghidrah: The Three Headed Monster (Last 1/3)
6. Godzilla versus Monster Zero
7. Godzilla versus the Sea Monster
8. Son of Godzilla
9. Destroy All Monsters
10. Godzilla's Revenge
11. Godzilla versus Hedorah
12. Godzilla versus Gigan
13. Godzilla versus Megalon
14. Godzilla versus Mechagodzilla
15. Terror of Mechagodzilla

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GREAT post, Skye, especially the detailed explanation of the movie as metaphor for WW2. (2 atomic bombs / 2 attacks on Tokyo-- wow.)

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GREAT post, Skye, especially the detailed explanation of the movie as metaphor for WW2. (2 atomic bombs / 2 attacks on Tokyo-- wow.)


Thanks.

I'm surprised to see such a relatively recently reply to my oldest surviving post on this site.

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Godzilla is not a war movie. Its like King Kong. They are fantasy movies

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I'm glad someone is paying attention...
Raymond Burr version was second godzillia though,
and almost leads me to believe It was to introduce
Americans to the up scale Lizard...

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Great write-up on this subject but with a few flaws.

In Gojira, it is shown that Japan builds the high tension electric towers in about a day or two, including pouring of the concrete bases which, of course, was impossible. The American version corrected this to say that the towers were already in existence. This was true in real life because of the earthquake codes (the same reason used to boost Godzilla from 180 feet to 400 feet in height; Japanese buildings were not tall but Godzilla would not tower above buildings in big American cities).

The towers were not Japan's only line of defense. A line of tanks and heavy artillery backed up the towers and open fire the moment Godzilla touches the wires. When Godzilla breaks through, yes, the city is defenseless but that was not because of bad defense.

Who would expect any living thing to survive not just 300,000 volts of electricity but tank and artillery fire? Also, Japan had been well aware of the incredible destruction caused by city fighting in Europe during WWII. For this film, producers had military technical advisers who said, in the event of an attack, defenses would concentrate on keeping the fighting out of the city. As many, if not more, people could be killed by stray shells than Godzilla.

Only when all seems lost does the Army send a tank brigade up point blank.

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These days he's either bad or anti-hero. The hero, child friendly Godzilla pretty much died out in the 1970s.


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ok so some people on this post clearly don't watch Godzilla movie. Godzilla is basically a neutral to break it down. In thee original film he is clearly the antagonist in Godzilla Raids again godzilla is the atagonist along side the other monster Anguirus and this trend continues threw the next two movies. This changes however In ghidorah the three headed monster in this film Godzilla is still an enemy to Japan and man kind but is joins forces with Rodan and Mothra when it becomes apparent that king Ghidorah is much strong. Similarly in Godzilla vs Monster Zero, Godzilla vs the sea monster and destroy all Godzilla is still a treat and does in fact destroy a lot and kills it is just that he is portrayed as not as bad as the other monsters or whatever the main characters are up against. This is also the way that Godzilla portrayed in Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla Godzilla 2000, Godzilla Final Wars, and the 2014 film. After Destroy all monsters the Godzilla does become some what of a hero in that he doesn't really fight the military anymore and is generally praised by the human characters. It is worth noting that even in these films Godzilla destroys things and realistically probably kills a lot of people in the process of stopping the other monster. for example in Godzilla Vs Hedorah Godzilla is depicted as the hero but lets be honest he probably destroyed a lot of stuff in the processes of getting to Hedorah no doubt a lot of people where killed in this event as well. In 1984 Godzilla was rebooted and was mostly treated as bad but there are times where he is viewed in a better light the 2000 series is also the same time. In the end Godzilla can basically be whatever the plot needs him to be but generally he is viewed as something that is very dangerous but can sometime solve a bigger problem.

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He's changes frequently. Sometimes he's bad, Sometimes he's good and other times he's just the lesser of two evils

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He goes from bad to "lesser evil" to good in the original movies

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