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Steerpike: Love or loathe?


i rented the first disc of gormenghast and watched it not long ago and found that depite all the terrible things steerpike was doing I still couldnt hate him....no matter how much i wanted to or how hard i tried!! he just killed nanny slagg where i was watching and still.......not a single instant of hate!!! i do suspect that i may change my mind with the death of Mr Flay cause i love him (Christopher Lee and the character) but at the moment i still love Steerpike. yet, the only other people i know who saw it absolutely LOATHED Steerpike!!!!
Wots ur opinion? Love him or loathe him? and y?

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Well, don't think you can to either totally. Peake wrote the character wonderfully ambivalent. It's very clear that Steerpike is a villain, YET, given the circumstances of his life, most people can empathize with his need to change them. It's only Nannie and Mr. Flay who are true victims, most of the others victimize themselves. Steerpike is like our Id. He does what he wants to when he wants to. It's less evil that self-serving.

Easy to like despite yourself. (It doesn't make the choice any easier that JRD played him either. Perfect casting or what?)

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yeah i know.....no matter how hard i try to hate him i cant!!!

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I loved hating Steerpike, so I loved him. The actor(JRM) played him so well. This entire series was so well done and so well cast. I was sad when it was over, I wish they would do more.

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Steerpike is one of the best characters. Even when I read the book I couldn't hate him.

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Love.

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I can't hate him because I love him, I'm joking. :)
He is the best character in the film, I can't hate him because the actor is too handsome..=) Ok, not in the end..=)


I think that only Fuchsia loved him! He is soo sad all the time in the film :( So I can't hate him, and the other reason is that he is so sexy :)

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Fuchsia does love him, but only because he manipulated her to. In the book Steerpike is supposed to look repulsive and he is alot nastier and schemeing and less "sad".

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yeah, i totally love steerpike (although im not sure how much of that was influenced by my love for jonathan rhys meyers) but i think nobody hates him cause you see what he goes through-he just was looking to improve his life and get out of the kitchens. i found it easier to like him in the movie than in the book, but you cant ignore the charisma!

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well, but Steerpike was very attractive in the film , was he described as attractive in the book?

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No.
Steerpike was described as being ugly, as almost every other character in the books.

POV Fuchsia:
He was strange and unappealing, with his high shoulders and his large swollen forehead; but he was slender and young... There was nothing about him that drew her, nothing she loved except his youth and his bravery.

In another part of the book Steerpike is described having "a bulging forehead and closely set eyes".

Fuchsia loved the concept of him being a rebel, as it goes with teenage girls. Thats what she fell in love with: His youth (being only slightly older than she was herself) and his resents towards authority. What makes Steerpike a villain is that he knew that and used it to his own advantage. He really isn't a rebel; he wants to fit in and have a piece of the cake.

By the way: I always imagined Doctor Prunesqallor looking like Heinz Fischer, President of Austria, with a much smaller and thinner body. This makes sense insofar as I am from Austria, and I keep smiling when I read about Dr. Prune.

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Loathe, but only after i had read both Titus Groan and Gormenghast. I admit i watched the miniseries before reading, and from the mini I loved Steersmike (lol). The books however have the ability to flesh out the character. I do however believe Jonathan Rhyse Myers (sp?) was perfectly cast as Steerpike, he is by no means pretty. This is going to offend people but here i go anyways; JRM would be considered ugly in real life situations, but because he has been in a couple of films he is considered hott. It is the talent people find attractive (and he like many other actors have found a character niché, and hes good as that certain character), and not the man himself.

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People don't find JRM attractive just because he's been in a couple of films. If that rule applied then we'd find Micky Rouke attractive today and he is hideous! JRM is a very beautiful guy, especially in this.

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He's pretty hot, haha. So I loved him. But even if he weren't as hot as he was, still.. How could you hate him? He's like Erik in The Phantom of the Opera.. He's the villian, but you pity him and love him and in the end.. You're rooting for him! Besides, he tried to do good... He kept getting screwed over.. Poor guy! They deserved it anyway.

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I read Peake's novels last year. Discovered that there was a movie by accident when I was searching for JRM because I liked him as Chiron in Julie Taymor's Titus (adaptation of Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus, fantastically beautiful movie) and the French king in The Lion in Winter. Even before I got a hold of the Gormenghast movie I thought he was a great casting choice for this 'seductive subversive bad guy' role.

(by the way, whats_their_name - de gustibus non est disputandum. Some people happen to find that sort of sharp facial features attractive in real life, not just movies.)

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Can you honnestly blame Steerpike for wanting to kill these people?

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You really should loathe Steerpike because he is such a nasty, nasty character but Steerpike is so irresistable, so deliciously evil. Jonathan Rhys Meyers did not hurt, either.

"One must always observe the niceties. Otherwise we are less than human." - Frank Herbert.

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I love the description "irresistable, so deliciously evil". Nicely put. He is absolutely unbelievably superlatively evil and I love him for it, as well as hating him. A better way of putting it: I hate the person but I loooove the character.

I heard it once quoted that Milo Minderbinder from Catch-22 was the most evil character to be committed to paper, and I'm in a quandary as to which is more evil, Milo or Steerpike. Steerpike is obviously much nastier, but Milo is more subtle, more amoral, I think. Views?

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Nah love him. Even though he's a bit creepy. But hey who in this isn't?!

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If I had any sympathy for the people who Steerpike killed then perhaps I would hate his character. As it is, he kills people who think that they are better than him because they are upper class, whereas he came from the kitchens (Slagg, Flay, Master of Ritual) and people who care more about power or books than they do about their own families (Sepulchrave Groan and his sisters).

I see Steerpike's actions as intended to attack the institution rather than individuals - he says at one point that he thought that the ruling classes were stronger than him, but that he has realised that actually they are weak. This illustrates the fact that Steerpike at first saw his actions as justified because he didn't consider his murders to be attacks on people, but attacks on the system - wholly political. Then, right near the end of the film, he began to think that he may have been wrong, and that the people he killed weren't any more deserving of murder than anyone else - most poor people would behave like the Groans if they had been born into the ruling classes. Perhaps Steerpike began to think that the people of the aristocracy were victims of the system themselves. However, by that time it was far too late for him to change what he had done.

His acts are despicable, but I think that I would only start to hate him if he killed Titus, who is really the only upper class character who seems to be completely just and good. Steerpike never even tries to kill Titus until Titus attacks him. Although Steerpike starts off as a 'good' character and gradually becomes more and more corrupt, I don't think that he ever really crosses the line into villainy before his death, so I see him as more of an anti-hero than a villain.

The fact that by the very end of the story Titus understands - even agrees with - Steerpike's view that he should have been born in Titus' place shows that Steerpike's motivation was justified, even if his actions weren't; because Titus is unarguably a good character, his agreement with Steerpike shows that Steerpike's view of the system was not evil in itself, even if his actions were. Therefore, I believe that Steerpike has not necessarily lost the sympathy of the audience by the end of the story.

Wow, when I started answering your question I didn't think it would turn into an essay - sorry about that.

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To be honest, I couldn't bring myself to hate Steerpike. Though he used reprehensible tactics to get what he wanted, both the character of the books and the BBC movie were depictions of ourselves deep down. He was undoubtedly sociopathic, and used all of his gifts for entirely selfish ends. But one must also applaud his incredible stoicism. Among the inhabitants of Gormenghast, he was the only true Renaissance man.

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