evolution
are there still people out there that dont believe in evolution? what a sad thought.
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As a scientific observer, I doubt if you have read many of the arguments for or against evolution. What a sad thought. Take a look here:
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/arguments.shtml
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With regard to scientific knowledge, I was alluding to the OP's question, "are there are people out there that don't believe in evolution?" posed as if it were common knowledge. He implied that that there is universal agreement in the scientific community that evolution is a fact and not a theory. While the majority may feel this way, there are many, many scientists as well as lay people that firmly disagree.
With regard to your incomplete quote here is a fuller quote from the article:
Darwinists claim that the reptile-to-mammal evolution is well documented. But for reptiles to evolve into mammals at least some of these transformations must have happened:
• Scales had to have mutated into hair.
• Breasts had to have evolved from nothing.
• Externally laid eggs had to evolve into soft-shelled eggs that were nourished by an umbilical cord and placenta in a womb.
Please enlighten us more regarding your understanding of eutherian reproduction.
By the way, intelligent design does not negate all evolutionary theory nor vice versa. One needn't be totally for or against either idea.
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What evolutionists have never proved is any case where something arises from nothing. Until they do that, evolution is still just theory unlike gravity which is proven by anything falling to the ground or the earth is round by circumnavigating the earth, etc.
When you think of the biological intricacy of human and animal bodies not to mention the earth itself the idea of evolution is far more unbelievable than Intelligent Design could ever be considered unbelievable.
Even for the examples you cite in your last post, the intricacies of all that happening by spontaneous chance is ridiculous. What is more difficult to comprehend, one God or an uncountable number of coincidences?
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(a) What evolutionists have never proved is any case where something arises from nothing.
Please cite where this a relevant issue for evolutionary biology.
Evolutionary biology is a sub-field of biology concerned with the study of evolutionary processes that have given rise to the diversity of life on earth. Its studies concerning the origin of species as well as their change, multiplication and diversity over time. It is relevant because it fails to account for the beginning of existence.
(b) unlike gravity which is proven by anything falling to the ground
You completely missed the point there. The point is that gravity is both a fact and a theory. The theory is the explanatory and predictive model. Explaining gravity as "Things fall." "Why do things fall?" "Because they fall" is not a satisfactory scientific explanation in any sense of the word.
No I didn't, my point is that for science to be valid, it starts with a hypothesis and ends with testing that provides repeatable evidence that proves the hypothesis and doesn't ignore holes in the hypothesis that it cannot explain. Gravitational theory meets this criteria. Evolutionary creationism (not evolutionary biology per se) does not.
(c) When you think of the biological intricacy of human and animal bodies not to mention the earth itself the idea of evolution is far more unbelievable than Intelligent Design could ever be considered unbelievable.
Only if you don't understand evolution, which you do not.
I won't justify your condescending comment because it would take too long and I'm not interested in convincing you of anything. Let's just say that there are parts of evolutionary theory that have varying levels of validity such as natural selection, genetic research, and so on.
(d) Even for the examples you cite in your last post, the intricacies of all that happening by spontaneous chance is ridiculous.
Case in point: you equate evolution with "spontaneous chance". This is grossly incorrect, and points to a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire subject.
"Equate evolution with spontaneous change", your words, not mine. I never meant that evolutionary changes are spontaneous only that life began with Intelligent Design and not spontaneous change. You have stated that this is not relevant (see first line) but if you refuse to see its implications you won't.
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Yes that was a quote from Wikipedia because you wanted to discuss evolutionary biology and this was a reasonably good definition. There are no spelling errors in any of my posts in this thread and probably not any poor grammar either, just you being snarky as you have been several times.
I was discussing evolution vis-à-vis creation by intelligent design not evolutionary biology. This is indeed a total waste of time for both of us as we have different opinions and ideas that we expressing and lack a middle ground.
Good night and good luck.
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"There are no spelling errors in any of my posts in this thread and probably not any poor grammar either, just you being snarky as you have been several times."
I had to laugh at that sentence because it contains a comma splice right after your claim that you probably hadn't exhibited any bad grammar.
Touché! You made one good citation. I agree that I wrote a run on sentence even though Microsoft Word's grammar check does not agree. Eliminating the splice would improve my grammar but wouldn't change my meaning.
"Sad to say, this is probably true as well. Intelligent design advocates do not operate from a basis in reality, while evolutionary biologists do. It makes talking with them a very surreal experience."
You apparently just can't resist being condescending but I won't hold that against any you.
Have a Merry Christmas.
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You're my new hero.
shareYOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE ANYONE BELIEVING IN INTELLIGENT DESIGN, THAT EVOLUTION IS LOGICAL AND FACTUAL (yes, even though it's a theory, it's taken as fact by science just like it is with 'gravity,' and 'atomic theory.')
Come-on, please...I mean in the 21st Century, these people still believe that there's an invisible man in the sky ruling the universe, along side of the other invisible man in the sky, jesus, who is really the other invisible man in the sky, too.
Every biotech company relies on evolution for their work. It's also found in the fossil record. Beyond that, it's logical, and DNA was predicted by Darwin; who prognosticated that there would be found a mechanism for evolution.
We share 50% of our DNA with the banana (of course some posting here have a higher percentage...). We share over 98% of our DNA with the Chimpanzee. We share up to five or six percent of our DNA with the Neanderthal for goodness sakes. It just makes sense that all life, plant and animal, came from an original source (and it's not something from nothing...it's life caused by the mass and energy here in the past).
Again, it just makes sense...much more sense than belief in the invisible man in the sky. Science has proven some of scripture incredibly incorrect. Eg. the Earth is NOT the center of the solar system. Yet these 'believers' find the rest of ancient religious documents factual.
If there were a god, and he/she/it were to design life, he/she/it would NOT make the mechanisms of organisms so complex; unless he/she/it were a terrible engineer.
KEEP THE BULL CRAP OF I.D. OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS, unless you want your children forced to speak in the Chinese language for the remainder of their lives.
Simply put, Intelligent Design is garbage that both white and black preachers use to confuse the minds of otherwise intelligent people. If those people buy this baloney, they are doomed to live in the scientific dark ages. We share 50% of our DNA with the banana. We share over 98% of our DNA with the chimpanzee. Only those desperate to shore-up the crumbling walls of religious nonsense cannot see that all life, both plants and animals, is related. It's especially ironic that racists who hate blacks don't understand that their ancestors were black.
If there were an intelligent design, the human body would be less complicated, not as incredibly complicated as it is today. The human body is not a thoughtful, intelligent design; it's the result of thousands of years of trial and error leading to its present structure. Religion is just part of the world of the occult. Its foundation relies upon the supernatural; an invisible god overlooking us all. The god that comes from nothing before him/her/it. This is the stuff of charlatans and magicians.
Neither I nor others stand a good chance of convincing a fundamentally religious person to accept evolution, because they have so much of their lives invested in religious nonsense.
Darwin predicted that there might be found a mechanism which would explain the mechanics of evolution. That mechanism turned out to be DNA. DNA is the strong proof that evolution exists. The fact that we share 50% of our DNA with a banana, and over 98% with the chimpanzee, makes it extremely difficult to continue believing that all life was not evolved from earlier life forms. We are the descendants of the same initial life which evolved to become both the plants and the animals. And the mutations in DNA, whether caused by circulating viruses or other means, lead to both more and less fit species, and the earthly domination by the former.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans still cling to the belief that evolution does not exist. Today, you cannot be a biologist if you shun evolution. Nor could you become a scientist at a biotech firm. Evolution is now the foundation of the life sciences. Evolution is common sense. The evidence is all around us; except in the closed minds of those who refuse to acknowledge it.