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What was Erin's problem with other women?



She a female-misogynist, if such a thing exists. She hates the legal secretaries, she attacks the female attorney from PGE, she loathes Teresa the class action attorney. Ok, she does get along with some of the ladies in Hinkley, but only because she feels superior to them (she made the remark that she couldn't quit this job because she feels important when she walks into a room in Hinkley).


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Ok, she does get along with some of the ladies in Hinkley, but only because she feels superior to them (she made the remark that she couldn't quit this job because she feels important when she walks into a room in Hinkley).


No, that's not it at all. The comment she made about Hinkley to me, always meant that if she walked into a room of lawyers now, people would stop and listen. No, she definitely did not feel superior to the women who lived in Hinkley. Quite the opposite, actually. She felt right on par with them. I think part of why she fought so hard for them is because she identified with everyone living in Hinkley. She recognized that she could easily be one of them and suffering the same things as them.

As for why she was always so at war with most of the women in the office (with the exception of the receptionist), is because she always felt like people were judging her, ESPECIALLY other women. Think about it. She's a good looking, tough broad with no education (i.e. college), and she has been pushed around most of her life. Finally she starts to get things together, and because of what she discovered when opening up that Pro Bono Hinkley/PG&E file, and Ed has some respect for her, and the other women I think, are a little resentful of her. Not because she's succeeding, but because in their eyes, she pushed her way in to the firm, and they're right. But instead of getting past it, Erin and the other women continue to remain at odds. They don't trust her, and she doesn't trust them. She's not a "girly girl" in the sense that she will sit and gossip and make friends with other women easily.

I think (and this is just a guess on my part) that once the case is won, and they move to the bigger office, they do start to get past things, and they all do start to accept each other. I doubt they ever became friends, but I think they all started to respect each other after that. Erin proved her worth, the women possibly saw that, and they just eventually got used to her.

If you'd grown up as Erin did though, and experienced the things she did, you might be defensive most of the time, too.

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from the script...

GEORGE: Yeah you can. You could just quit. People do it all the time.

ERIN: How can you ask me to do that? This job -- For the first time in my life, I got people respecting me. Up in Hinkley, I walk into a room, and everyone shuts up just to hear what I got to say.



There were no rooms full of lawyers in Hinkley. She is getting attention from the residents. Not sure of the real Erin's background or if she really is that sassy with women. The Erin character in this movie is outright confrontational with the other women. I don't see how that could be perceived as defensive when there is nothing really to defend. A few raised eyebrows when she bursts into their workplace uninvited? Then she turns around and lashes out at them for just noticing? She seems to instigate these situations just so she can then turn it around and "defend" herself. Yeah, she's a piece of work. Interesting for movies, but hellfire if like that in real life.

By the way, calling that lady "Krispy Kreme" was crass and very mean. The line was in there to make Erin look sharp and snide, but nowadays it makes Erin look like a bully and a juvenile mean girl.



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I wouldn't go so far as to call her a misogynist...she's probably used to women judging her and thinking less of her because women can be really catty. I agree with the first person who replied to you...however, I also found the Krispy Kreme line super rude and I thought it was pretty humorous that she said it right after yelling "I know the difference between right and wrong!!"

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You might be over looking at it. If you pay attention, the "girls" from the office would be the ones that treated her differently, because of the way she was dressed. They didn't like her and Erin got offended. They didn't start been nice to her until they saw how hard she really was working.

As for the rest of the lawyers, no one took her seriously because of the way she dressed and presented her self. To them, she was this good looking, dumb and perhaps slutty woman that was stepping on grounds that were way too educated for her.

Basically, she was judged by her cover. She ended up proving that even an ex-beauty queen, with a foul mouth that dressed like a hooker, can actually get work done. Everyone else, specially the professional women, looked down on her. This is why she didn't like them.

The reason why she got along with the victims is because they didn't treat her like she was below them. They only got to know a woman that is trying to get to know their issues and trying to help them. Erin is a nice woman, but society categorized her as a lowlife woman that wants easy money. This was the point of the first scene in the film where she looses her case in the car accident. The jury sees that she perhaps just wanted to get money out of the car accident because she doesn't want to work and she's uneducated. She lost, even though as an audience, we saw that it was not her fault.

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They only got to know a woman that is trying to get to know their issues and trying to help them.
Exactly. They saw her as one of them, coming along (at times with her 3 kids) talking to them, not down at them. Note the scene where she chides Ed for trying to leave without staying for coffee and cake. Contrast that to the scenes where the other lawyers get involved and piss the clients off, who then clam up and complain.🐭

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If you pay attention, the "girls" from the office would be the ones that treated her differently, because of the way she was dressed.


This is exactly right. The women at the office judged Erin by her looks, not by her character. Erin didn't have a "problem" with the other women, it was the other women who had a problem with her. Get your facts straight, RedArt27.


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The women at the office judged Erin by her looks, not by her character. Erin didn't have a "problem" with the other women, it was the other women who had a problem with her.

Exactly. It's crazy how often people in the world negatively judge others without finding out more about them. I see it so often with employers who don't take time to get to know their employees. The last place I worked at, the relatively new boss was letting some of the most loyal, intelligent, valuable employees go and kept the sleazeballs around. It backfired of course, but people like that never seem to learn.

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Women hate each other. If you haven't learned that yet in your life, it's only a matter of time.

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>>Portlis replied Jan 29, 2015:
Women hate each other. If you haven't learned that yet in your life, it's only a matter of time.<<

It's unfortunate you think this way. Female friends can be your greatest ally.

The opening post took me by surprise because it seemed clear the office women ganged up on Erin first. We know how tough things can be for eachother. I don't understand why women have to be mean to eachother. As long as you pull your weight at work, I try to treat everyone equally.
-Jane

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Well, it's more like they're in constant competition with each other.


Take a look at the scene from a different perspective:

Teressa is likely thinking, "I worked hard my entire life to get where I am, I made sacrifices, to my love-life, to my family. I invested years into my education, thousands of dollars, but I am here, co-lead in one of the biggest cases of my firm."

Erin thinks this "I worked hard my entire life, moved place to place, went into debt several times; and am raising 3 kids on a single parent's salary. I've been victimized due to my gender and have been pushed out of job after job that I fought to keep due to men. This is my time because I HAVE WORKED HARDER!"



Erin sees the "Pristine Female Lawyer" as the embodiment of women who "become men" to succeed in a "man's world." Erin wants to maintain her femininity and present herself as a woman, so much that she is the only one who is in casual attire. "Men wear suits, women wear clothes."


(Do note that regulating "business attire for women" is fought back against strongly, in our times it is to the point where semi-casual is the norm... while men are still expected to dress in uncomfortable outfits. Teressa's outfit was what women were expected to wear at all times while working.)


Teressa sees Erin as the stereotypical self-serving neo-feminist. I don't really want to get too much into the argument here, as to just explain it: but Teressa views her work to better herself is undermined by women who "sleep to the top," or otherwise exploit their femininity to achieve goals. Erin clearly does this, especially at the records office; hence Teressa, who is trying to project an air of professionalism will be looked at like a prude.

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Yes, because she was sweet as pie to both George and ED when she met them.

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The women she had a problem with had a problem with her first. Erin snapped back because they decided to mess with her. They underestimated her as a person and as an employee.

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To anyone "incredibly surprised" that she has a problem with other women and that this makes her some kind of "rare breed" of a "female mysoginist" etc I have some breaking news for you - in life, women fight with, conflict with, argue with, dislike, get hurt by, get upset because of and even commit crimes against other women by various means ALL THE TIME in this life so what you come across here is nothing too unique.

And I don't think you need any statistics for that or anything, just open your eyes more and close them mostly only when you go to sleep and then you'll see this.

Heck they can sometimes hurt other men too, yes, as unbelievable as THAT may sound.

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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She was an alpha in a tight skirt and heels, and all the beta women didn't like it. End of story.

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