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did rocco siffredi actually have real sex with caroline ducey ? the scene looked real to me.

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That's the rumor..... emphasis on rumor.

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In an interview Catherine stated that she hated when people would ask that question. She said that no one ever asked her if the actors really died (like in the movie Fat Girl) so why should they ask this one when it's the same principal. But I'm not trying to be rude. Trust me I was just as curious before I heard this interview. If you want to see the interview it's on the special features part of the DVD Breif Crossing.

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what other movies have real REAL sex in them.


Seven

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umm...
Porn

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other then porn,

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i don't want porn, porn is pretty much fake. no i don't want get off, its one of those questions where you ask if there is any movies that are like this.


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no i mean sex in some porn is fake, like soft core is fake but in some mainstream movies are very real

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What is wrong with you????!!! 99% of the sex scenes in mainstream movies are fake. the sex in this movie is fake!! Did you not understand what I was saying and what catherine breillat was implying in the interveiw? And as for porn GET HARD CORE!!!!! Why do you want to see real sex if you don't want to get off on it?? Exactly how old r u??? People don't watch sex just to watch it, they watch so they can get off on it. Do you live with your parents?? I just don't understand what is wrong with watching porn if you want to see real sex even if you don't want to get off on it (which by the way is not normal).

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I've heard of that movie. Are you sure that sex is real? I mean it's really easy to make the sex look real. For instance, in Fat Girl, another Catherine Breillat filn, the guy's knob is a prosthetic, which is what I'm pretty sure she does in the rest of her films. As for the real sex person you can pretty much watch any Cathrine Breillat film and there will be sex which looks real whether it is or not. The one I'm thinking of right now is Anatomy of Hell. But I still think you are strange.

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What is wrong with you????!!! 99% of the sex scenes in mainstream movies are fake. the sex in this movie is fake!! Did you not understand what I was saying and what catherine breillat was implying in the interveiw? And as for porn GET HARD CORE!!!!! Why do you want to see real sex if you don't want to get off on it?? Exactly how old r u??? People don't watch sex just to watch it, they watch so they can get off on it. Do you live with your parents?? I just don't understand what is wrong with watching porn if you want to see real sex even if you don't want to get off on it (which by the way is not normal).
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wow can you tell that some one need a hobbie
Its fun to get people going on this, its so easy, i'm 25, no i do not live with my parents, its just a question, i really don't care.


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The penis is prosthetic I already said this! Yes penetration was real but not the sex.

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Jumping into the conversation a bit late ...

It is real sex. That was one of the controversial issues of the movie that prompted it to initially be banned in Australia.

However, if we work on the basis of the prosthetic penis, if it was just the "penetration" that was real ... why does that not count as sex? Sure, it might not include a penis but does that make it any less "real" for the woman?

This whole movie centers around the idea of the penis and penetration. The only time that Marie is really aroused is during the bondage scene where the penis plays no part at all. The idea is that, to women, ultimately a man's physical prowess and endowments are not that important.

And just a side note, sex in hardcore pornography can be faked. The "money shot" (designed to show that the sex is real) is actually one of the easiest thing to fake.

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"And just a side note, sex in hardcore pornography can be faked. The "money shot" (designed to show that the sex is real) is actually one of the easiest thing to fake."

I'm intrigued... how can a "money shot" be faked? You must mean the "evidence" can be faked, not the action, right?

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Two words: Egg White.

Now imagine gargling that. Egg White is used whenever the guy doesn't have enough ejaculate left in him, like if it's the third take of the day or something.

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A small tube can be taped to the underside of the penis and fluid pumped through it.

"The dance is a poem of which each movement is a word."
-Mata Hari

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Same way as any Hollywood movie -- careful editing. You could have a non-star (or a whole lineup of them) off screen produce the "money shot" in a closeup to be edited in as the real thing later.

Based on what I've seen, though, I'd say most aren't faked (or aren't faked well...), since a fair number seem to be short on product, and I think given the volume of the industry making a single scene perfect isn't necessary.

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I'm assuming you don't have a penis attached to your body based on your ridiculous comment.

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I agree with you, Seven. This Kelsey person sounds like they have some serious problems. It's interesting that s/he asks you, "What is wrong with you????!!!". Perhaps, darling, you should ask yourself such a thought-provoking question. What is wrong with YOU, Kelsey? Seven never alluded to the idea that s/he wanted to "see real sex" making your somewhat disturbing question moot and, frankly, insane. I've known people to watch sex not to get-off on it... for example, some sex-scenes are so horribly bad they become humorous. Maybe you've not lived long enough to differentiate between good and bad (and the huge spectrum in-between) sex. You should probably take a step back from your computer, wipe the screen and/or keyboard clean, and take a vacation to anywhere outside of your (what I'm assuming is) cell/ward. No one has said in this thread that anything "is wrong with watching porn if you want to see real sex even if you don't want to get off on it" [sic]... I believe you might be projecting some fears and insecurities that you have about such behavior. When you venture from your little room in the asylum, please be sure to pull your pants up; it scares the normals.

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I just don't understand what is wrong with watching porn if you want to see real sex even if you don't want to get off on it (which by the way is not normal)


Why exactly should people have to fit your version of what you think is normal?

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I've always thought real sex in movies or very real looking sex scenes turn me on more than the tasteless porno crap they put out nowadays. Take 9 songs for instance. The sex scenes in that were so awesome and wonderfully done. I'd rather watch that to get off over porn any day.

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well....you have these movies, but some of them are really boring.

Ken Park
The Brown Bunny
Caligula
The Convent of Sinners
Female Vampire
The Realm of the Senses

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After reading several of these posts here's my angle.

Watching hardcore straight to video porno movies is a drag. There's no passion and the acting is so horrible and canned it is difficult to sit and watch for more than five minutes. I have a theory that people wank off to pornos because they are so boring and unimaginative. (ie. "Hey Lady? Did you order a pepperoni pizza?" "Well here's the pizza... and here's the pepperoni!!!") or ("Hi! I'm 19 years old, wanna fck?") I can relate to how entirely lame the genre is. But when you take an emotionally charged movie drama and add a related booty scene to it, it makes it that much more real. So if the actors are getting their naughty bits damp on camera in a tasteful way the more energetic and powerful the movie as a whole could possibly be. Of course the opposite can be true if the scene is not needed in the story line or very skanky in it presentation. I will always use the example of 1976 classic adult movie The Opening of Misty Beethoven as a movie that very tastefully pulls off a story mixed with hardcore type action. It also was filmed at a time before the genre was hijacked by the video camera which was a definite downfall.

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In The Realm of the Senses, Caligula, 9 Songs. I can't recall if Salo does or not, but if it doesn't, then it comes very close.

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Salo' doesn't. Ken Park does. and the ones mentioned.

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Scarlet Diva, Caligola, Brown Bunny, Boxcar Bertha . . . I think those scenes are real.

"I don't know about what happened . . . because once you start writing, it all becomes fiction."

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BOXCAR BERTHA was not real. Not the Martin Scorsese one he directed for Roger Corman. There is no hardcore stuff in any of Corman's stuff. None in Russ Meyer even, for that matter.

BROWN BUNNY was real. It is also one of the three or four worst movies in the history of the planet.

CALIGULA was not real. At least not the footage with the real actors. What they did was later go and film a bunch of hardcore footage with porn actors and then edit that into the film. Malcolm McDowell and Helen Mirren and the other mainstream actors were later horrified when they saw what had been done. They had never signed up to be in a porn film.

NINE SONGS is definitely nonsimulated. It has a great musical soundtrack. But unfortunately it is about 99.2% as boring as BROWN BUNNY.

What about SEX AND LUCCIA? I haven't seen that but I heard the sex was real.

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All of these films below have sexual explicit content;

* They Call Us Misfits (1968)

* Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song (1971) - Melvin Van Peebles directed this film that reportedly included unsimulated sex scenes. Van Peebles claimed to have contracted a sexually transmitted disease while filming and successfully filed for worker's compensation.

* In the Realm of the Senses (1976) - fellatio to male climax between Matsuda Eiko and Fuji Tatsuya; other unsimulated sex scenes.

* Caligula (1979) - several versions of this film include scenes of unsimulated sex including explicit intercourse and ejaculation. None of the big-name actors involved in this Tinto Brass-directed film participate in these scenes.

* Emmanuelle V (1985) - Two versions of this film were released: an R-rated version and a hardcore version with several unsimulated sex scenes inserted (none of the added material feature the film's star, Monique Gabrielle).

* Devil in the Flesh (1986) - fellatio between Maruschka Detmers and Federico Pitzalis (considered one of the first major Western films with unsimulated sexual content)

* The Idiots (1998) - several unsimulated sex scenes (penetration censored by animated black boxes in most English-language releases)

* Seul contre tous a.k.a. I Stand Alone (1998) - includes 25 seconds worth of near-pornographic material in the uncut version

* Guardami (1999) - fellatio by Elisabetta Cavallotti. This scene is often circulated on the Internet, misidentified as the Chloe Sevigny fellatio scene from The Brown Bunny. Cavallotti is also shown inserting a cloth into her vagina during a strip club sequence.

* Pola X (1999) - unsimulated intercourse between Guillaume Depardieu and Yekaterina Golubeva

* La donna lupo (1999) - fellatio by Loredana Cannata

* Baise-moi (2000) - several sex scenes involving Karen Lancaume and Raffaëla Anderson

* Intimacy (2001) - fellatio between Kerry Fox and Mark Rylance

* Le Pornographe (2001) - this French drama about the life of a filmmaker shows him shooting an unsimulated sex scene including penetration and ejaculation involving lead actress Ovidie. Directed by Bertrand Bonello.

* Hundstage (2001) (English title: Dog Days) - Claudia Martini is shown performing unsimulated fellatio during a threesome sequence.

* Embrace the Darkness II (2001) - unrated version of this made-for-cable thriller shows penetration during a sex scene involving Jezebelle Bond.

* Irréversible (2002) - a few brief glimpses of unsimulated sex (homosexual activity at a club early in the movie, a second-worth of fellatio at a party later on). The central rape scene of the movie, however, is simulated.

* Ken Park (2002) - Tiffany Limos has a sex scene with the two male leads, with unsimulated fellatio

* The Real Cancun (2003) - Several couples in this documentary are briefly shown having actual intercourse although nothing explicit is visible in the released version.

* The Brown Bunny (2003) - Chloë Sevigny performs unsimulated fellatio on Vincent Gallo to apparent climax

* In the Cut (2003) - the unrated version of the film released to DVD shows unsimulated female-on-male fellatio in one scene (supposedly witnessed by Meg Ryan's character).

* 9 Songs (2004) - multiple unsimulated sex scenes between Kieran O'Brien and Margo Stilley, including one showing ejaculation

* Anatomie de l'enfer (English title: Anatomy of Hell) (2004) - unsimulated intercourse between Rocco Siffredi and Amira Casar's character. According to the director Catherine Breillat a body-double was used for Casar's most intimate scenes. Another scene appears to show male-on-male fellatio though it's difficult to tell if the act is actually being performed. The film also includes numerous close-ups of digital penetration of a woman.

* Antares (2004) - fellatio by Petra Morzé

* All About Anna (2005) - unsimulated sex scenes involving actress Gry Bay

* Batalla en el cielo (English title Battle in Heaven) (2005) - two scenes of fellatio by lead actress Anapola Mushkadiz.

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since i am from asian country i have never seen an uncut movie. can somebody send me an uncut movie.
John

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'In the Cut' was simulated. Listen to the director's commentary on the DVD. She describes the creation of the prosthetic.

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Le Temps Qui Reste (Ozon) is another one...

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Brown Bunny

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I think the movie "edioterne" from lars von trier has...

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Wikepedia has a list of films with real sex scenes in. (I think this is on it.)

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9 Songs.

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Nevertheless, this quote (from http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1353958,00.html) pretty much says the sex is real..

Romance pioneered real sex on camera in non-porn cinema, paving the way for The Idiots and 9 Songs.

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Well then I stand corrected.

The person that replied above me smells kinda funny!!!!

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How could Romance have paved the way for the Idiots? The Idiots participated in 1998 at the Cannes fesival while Romance came the year after. It's more like the other way around. But actually it was The Life of Jesus/La vie de jesus which started this new wave of unsimulated sex on screen when it came in 1997.

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>In an interview Catherine stated that she hated when people would ask that
>question. She said that no one ever asked her if the actors really died (like
>in the movie Fat Girl) so why should they ask this one when it's the same
>principal. But I'm not trying to be rude. Trust me I was just as curious
>before I heard this interview. If you want to see the interview it's on the
>special features part of the DVD Breif Crossing.

Well cause its obvious the actors didn't die, we woulden't need to ask that. Perhaps Catherine is regretting her actions why else would she avoid answering. She probably isn't happy with being reduced to a porn star.

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Perhaps Catherine is regretting her actions why else would she avoid answering. She probably isn't happy with being reduced to a porn star.

In case you missed the point, Catherine Breillat directed the movie, she is not on camera doing anything in any scene. Her refusal to answer probably comes out of having seen how so-called film journalists and movie pundits reduce film to a kind of reality-tv, at any rate when sex is involved. Besides, obvious sex scenes is nothing new to French cinema or even lart and books (check out Boucher's Mlle O'Murphy for a hauntingly sexy picture done in the mid-18th century and accepted at the Versailles court at the time). In films I don't know where to begin (And God Created Woman? Last Tango in Paris?) but the point is, nudity on the screen doesn't equal "blue movie".

In another interview she said that on the whole she had been satisfied with Rocco Siffredi as an actor, but she had to point out to him that the main thing wasn't showing his potency in full view to the audience, he'd have to downplay himself a bit to the emootional side of the scenes. It would be interesting to hear what Rocco thought of the movie, though he's not involved in the bondage elements (contray to many films of late that only use s/m as a gimmick and a rather cheap image of "the forbidden", this one seems to grasp it better: only when Marie is bound and gagged and has surrendered to her Master does she know how to unleash herself).

There's some logic to that this movie came so close to live sex in front of the camera (I suspect it's that close, yes) 'sause it's about a journey from emotional desert and frustation to discovery of something new in yourself. The strong accent on how Marie's sex life doesn't work with her boyfriend makes it understandable that it should have powerful erotic scenes later on (and one reasion why she picked Rocco was, I think, that few mainstream actors wiould have wanted to do the part).

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[I think the poster meant Caroline Ducey]

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All I can say is I hope Rocco wore his raincoat because that dude has done gay porn and he probably has something catching. If I were her I would run, not walk to the nearest doctor's office.

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Lucky girl. I wish I could get him.

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er.. im hungry you know sex after marriage makes it more fun its like christmas you wait to open your present and if you open it early its not the same having sex after marriage is more fun :D

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Yes, apparenttly so. He has a whopper too, Would'nt mind a bit of that!! (wooooh!)

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9 songs had real sex. it was one of the most talked about elements of the film upon release...and no its not porn.

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"did rocco siffredi actually have real sex with caroline ducey ? the scene looked real to me."

I read somewhere that Rocco claimed that the sex was real, and Caroline claimed it wasn't, so who knows?

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I just saw a documentary produced by IFC called "Indie Sex", in which they refer often to this director's films (and to "Romance" in particular). I believe she said that yes, she had chosen to try to film things unsimulated because it's the real thing, and people "shouldn't be put off by the real thing" (like showing a woman's genitals so up close and personal, for example) - that's not a direct quote, but sadly I wasn't able to record the documentary to go back and get it! If you get a chance to see any of the "Indie Sex" docs, I recommend them highly - they're very enlightening about sex in film, real or not.

Check out the site for it here: http://www.ifc.com/static/sections/indiesex/

Hopefully it'll be re-run or available on DVD someday. I've seen two installments and they were surprising and entertaining!




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I read where Ducey argued with Breillat that the sex didn't have to be real because it wasn't going to be seen, but in the end it was. Breillat later said that for her Anatomy of Hell, she couldn't get an actress to do what Ducey did and she had to use a porn actress as a body double. Breillat said this was a reflection of more conservative times.

In the scene in question, you see something on Ducey's face just when she is penetrated. It might be good acting, or maybe Breillat was right, it was best real.

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I think I read where they used a body double for the Dulcey Penetration scene. The way the scene is shot, the lower half of the body could be anyone's.

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I had read somewhere that she was upset with the director after the fact that the scene could have been fake sex instead of real sex, which implies to me that Rocco really did bone her, which is nothing new to him obviously...

If anything I was shocked at how gentle he was with her, which shows me the guy actually can act if anything, lol

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Heard a radio interview with Rocco a few years ago and he confirmed that the sex scene with Caroline Ducey was real. Whether true or not who knows but that's what he said. Rocco said she was very nervous before the scene though because he was a porn actor and also the fact that he had such a big dick and well she had never had one that size before. So she asked him to be gentle with her and to be fair to Rocco he was very gentle with her when you watch the scene. Usually he is not that gentle.

Rocco also said they spent about 6 hours having sex and filming the scene and that very little of it actually ended up on screen. They left a lot out including doing it in lots of other positions. This is backed up by the director Catherine Breillat who said:

"For poor Caroline, how do you want her to be able to take this? Well, she took it for hours, for hours, for hours. She took it from 10 in the evening till 3 o'clock in the morning. At 3 o'clock in the morning she couldn't take him anymore, she was spent."

Rocco said that he found the French girl to be very attractive but that he was frustrated because he could not make love to her properly. Breillat wanted the sex to be slow, mechanical and unemotional. Anytime she saw either Rocco or Caroline becoming overly aroused or excited she would stop the scene to let them cool down. Rocco said Breillat's advice to Ducey was "just lie back and enjoy it Caroline".

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