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i just dont get it!!!!

posted 19 years ago by pimpscorpion
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this whole movie just totally confused me, i found it very hard to follow the plot (maybe cuz i was watching it with subtitles cuz i HATE dubbing and was paying more attention to the visuals than the subtitles), i also didnt quite see how the red riding hood story fit into the plot, i mean i know it has to do with the wolf brigade but i didnt even understand who they were, and what was the main character doing the whole time? i could just watch it again but im afraid i thought it was kinda boring, i always get confused about the plot in foreign movies (i had to watch ghost in the shell twice and i still hardly understand it) so if anybody can explain the movie to me that would be amazingly helpful and go ahead bitch all u want about how dumb i am so long as u please shed some light on this movie

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[–] BigPerm1974 19 years ago

suggest you watch it again. With the English dub and Subtitles. And pay close attention to the dialog at the end. Fuse (the wolf) was trying to live among the humans. But in the end we all no a wolf can only be a wolf.

[–] pimpscorpion 19 years ago

ok, thats enough for me haha

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[–] Bunny68 19 years ago

The first viewing is always difficult to sort out everything. Multiple viewings are key.

I remember the first time I saw Jin Roh, oddly enough, on the date of your post (dec 24), I paid as much attention as possible, but it took another viewing to fully understand everything.

It's only more enjoyable when you "get" everything, =p

[–] atomicstuffing 19 years ago

It's okay to be confused. I'm still not sure what the politcal organizations were talking about. Is Fuse a bad guy after all or what? He's killing police people for goodness sakes.

[–] giichi2501 18 years ago

I dont think Fuse could be clumped with the good guys, or the bad guys...

The movie deals with the internal politics of having 3 diferent police factions. And with Politics, things are rarely seen as a pure black and white, good and evil type of thing.

its just each faction belives that what they're doing is the right thing to do to protect their contry from forigen and domestic disturbances. So with each side thinking they're way of thinking is correct, they try and eliminate the other factions, not necessarily by killing them (tho that works too) but by destroying the public faith in said faction. Hence why they where trying to make it look like Fuse and Kei where involved in a bomb transfer.

[–] fredbel6 18 years ago

(I assume you live in the USA)
Not all "foreign" (lol, all movies I watch are foreign) movies that way, but I do have to admit that movies from Japan like this, Spirited Away, Akira, Ghost in the Shell confused me too .

I watched the original version on MTV Asian Screen (subtitled in Dutch) and they abbreviated the different police forces with two letter words :(, which made it even harder....

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[–] sakuranomiko 17 years ago

Well, it is a confusing movie.
Multiple viewings will tell you everything, but if you're lazy, keep reading.

Let's see if I can do this...
Okay, you start out with Kazuki Fuse, and he gets in trouble for not shooting the girl at the beginning. becasue of this, Heimei (?), the friend, who left the special forces to join the capital police, decides that Fuse is the perfect fall guy. The capital police want to get rid of the special forces, so they hire Kei to seduce/befriend Fuse. They plan to makes it look as if Kei, a terrorist, is involved with Fuse, and thus make the special forces look bad. However, what they don't know is that Fuse is also part of a third faction, the Jin-Roh, who try to keep all the other factions in check. Fuse knew that Kei and Heimei were palying him, so he kills Heimei at the end. Kei has to be killed becasue then the capital police can't get her back, but, since they won't know she's dead, the Jin-Roh can threaten to have her tell the press that they were scheming against the special forces.

Now, as to Little Red Riding Hood...
Tht's just a metpahor for the characters in the movie. Fuse is the "wolf,"--cold, ruthless killer. But being with Kei starts to make him feel human again. So when he kills her at the end, he's killing off his "human" self, so to speak.

[–] DragonKnightRex 16 years ago

Thanks for the explanations, it was helpful.
I guess multiple viewings is really the key to understanding the more complicated movies. But surely some of them just aren't that intriguing for some people to make themselves watch it again. That's the case with me and that particular movie. I admit I didn't like it. But it was still interesting to me what the hell was happenning in this movie.
So, my advice in the case you don't want to watch it again (at least not entirely) just watch the begining and the scenes where the officers talk - the first talk, when Fuse is running in the court and the one at the scrapyard (were there anymore such scenes?) - they contain the most plot about the conspiracy going on. So they will be a lot helpful.

One thing I still don't understand is which faction is part of which police? As the intro states, the Special Unit (the one Fuse is a part of) is a part of the Capital Police. Then, we have the Social Deffense Unit (or however it was named) that was fonded by the representative of the Capital Police at the meeting in the scrapyard (the one with the brown coat), so it is also a part of the Capital Police. And finally, we have the ordinary police, which is not paramilitary. Is that all correct? And at the meeting at the scrapyard, the representatives of the ordinary police say that, unlike the others, want to close only the Special Unite, not the entire Capital Police, along with that "Social Deffense Unit"? So the last ones try to set up Fuse. And the Wolf brigade doesn't want that to happen, because this would concetrate more power in one place - the ordinary police. Is this all correct or I am missing something?

[–] young_rastah 13 years ago

Capital police:
1. special unit (inside special unit is wolf brigade ((handa, tohbe & fuse)))
2. public security division (henmi & muroto)

public security division are isolating power by ridding the special unit by attempting a scandal between Fuse and Kei (a special unit and a terrorist). The public security division doesn't know Fuse is part of the wolf brigade and assume Fuse is simply a good pawn to represent the special unit. the wolf brigade counter this scandal through Fuse.

Fuse receives the junkyard photo of Kei and Henmi together from Tohbe who received it from Handa.

Henmi & Kei are executed because of their involvement with the public security division's attempted scandal. Now the wolf brigade can hold the public security division's attempted scandal over the public security division's head by threatening to expose said scandal.

here is a like to the main political characters (so you can see their faces):
http://jin-roh.viz.com/characters.html

you're welcome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKnkjtaZJU&feature=related
Time Will Tell!

[–] Raimar_Lunardi 8 years ago

Just a correction, isn't Fuse that kills her in the end, I believe was that other guy standing behind the shed...

[–] loepark 8 years ago

It was Fuse who killed her, the other guy in the shed was just going to finish the job if Fuse hadn't done it.

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