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Why do people think this movie is overrated?


I can say that this movie is a masterpiece. So many minor details in Jin Roh resemble the tiniest of strokes of an artist. I cannot see how so many people think this movie is overrated?? I'd watch it over again if you did not appreciate the movie upon the first viewing because this is powerful stuff. There is too much depth in the movie to just watch it once. The slow progress gives this film justice because we can see the characters slowly crawl out of the movie through the use of metaphors.

I think this is a very underrated movie, but I don't get why?

Try watching it multiple times because so many details are over=looked; the director did a great job of putting the audience in the shoes of a "human". This movie takes some critical analysis through each scene.

I'm not saying "because you didn't like this movie you guys are idiots." I'm simply stating that if you only watched it once and you did not care for it, then try watching it multiple times and you'll pick up on the tiny strokes that paint a masterpiece.

I loved this movie, but tell me your thoughts on why you liked/disliked the movie. We all of different tastes in art, and this may not be you cup of tea, but I'd like to see the other side of the story.

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I would have to say a combination of marketing and ppl not understanding or wanting to decipher the movie. Oshii definitely has his own way of making anime and some ppl may simply not appreciate it. Most of the ads I've seen for Jin Roh make it out to be some kinda Killzone-ish movie but that's not the case at all. I've just viewed for the first time today and plan to watch a few more times this weekend. But me being an avid anime fan and huge WWII buff it's right up my alley. I think it deserves any praise that it has gotten. But on another note, I do believe Akira (anime not the manga) is overrated. I'm sure I'm not alone.

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Maybe they don't understand or don't want to understand the allusions to "Red Riding Hood". Fuse's fight between love and being a human - or his duty and being a wolf.

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Maybe because it was incredibly slow, dull and utterly uninteresting. It had ugly drawings and clearly rotoscoped animation (which never impresses me). After over half of the movie I couldn't say that I cared one ounce to see how it ended. So I shut it off.

I'm simply stating that if you only watched it once and you did not care for it, then try watching it multiple times and you'll pick up on the tiny strokes that paint a masterpiece.


This sort of mentality always bugs me.

And I'm not faulting you for liking it either, thats cool. If you found it to be a masterpiece, thats awesome. But how can you expect anyone who hated a movie (ANY MOVIE), to watch it more than once? As if we owe something to it and we NEED to like it. It's just a movie. I don't owe it anything. My life will not improve or somehow be enlightened if I manage to change my opinion of the thing. Why on earth would I waste my time re watching a movie that I already know I that don't like?

It's not like I sort of liked it, but was confused and interested. No. I HATED it, it bored me to tears until I shut it off. I couldn't manage to get through it even one time, let alone multiple viewings.

This movie FAILED to entertain ME, I did not fail to be entertained BY this movie.

And the second poster was correct, I DO NOT care to decipher the movie. I couldn't possibly care less.



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"I am a narrow-minded, petty, pissed-off little twit with nothing better to do but go to the boards of films I dislike for ignorant, short-sighted reasons and type ridiculously long and unnessicarily hostile rants on the foolish reasons I didn't like said film. I have no knowledge of film nor appreciation for it, and assume that due to my lack of knowledge and disability to comprehend a film, it must be the film's fault, and certainly not my own."

You should have just said this, steve-vortex. Its shorter and gets to the point of what you were trying to say much better.

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Not at all?

I've seen good films and Jin Roh is not my idea of a good one.

1: The advertisements and promo images are very misleading which led to a disappointing first watch.

2 :The pacing and storytelling was incredibly pretentious and unnecessarily esoteric. They keep pushing the whole wolf and hood analogy into your face and in all it felt like listening to a one-sided argument.

A really long and boring one sided argument with some pretty backgrounds to go with. Long and droning dialogue scenes just drag on and on and one simply stops caring after a while. There's this thing called subtext and this director obviously didn't attend that class in film school.

I'm sorry, but I honestly see very little redeeming value in this animation.

Why don't you back up your view with non-shortsighted, non-pissed off, non-narrow-minded reasons as to why you think this film is good rather than just flaming someone? Please?

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The plot of the movie itself takes on the qualities of fairy tale story telling, with simplistic metaphors much like the red riding hood analogy. I do agree that the subtext in this is not as subtle as Ghost in the Shell, but you can't possibly say that this has very little redeeming value. If you can work past the sometimes obnoxious obviousness of the metaphors and analogies, there's good intrigue, relatively good action (as sparse as it is), and it presents an interesting contemporary analysis of humankind's bestial and intellectual duality.

Which is my second confusion with your post. You refer to a "one-sided argument," but what argument is that? I'm not sure that Oshii was arguing anything, and in his other films he isn't very quick to push a certain viewpoint. He has a mind for speculation, which tends to be neutral and has the air of a hypothesis. It seemed more like he was describing something about the tragic duality of human nature, and how it manifests in broad human developments, as well as individual human interactions. Oshii was also a known activist in his younger days, and there was a great deal of uncertainty and tension in the years after WWII. There were assassinations of left wing politicians and a lot of upheaval over Japan's changing political and economic development. This film gives a lot to think about, in spite of the cosmetic flaws of pacing and subtext. While you may not like the film, you can definitely learn something from it by watching it all the way through and attempting to appreciate the smallest details, which are always very deliberate and thoughtful with Oshii.

Moreover, as a Japanese film, it's very informative as to the different consciousness of the Japanese. If you watch closely enough, keeping the context in mind, you can gain some insight into the hopes and fears of another society with a drastically different developmental path than other developed nations. To use a physics analogy, nations are not state functions, and it does matter the path a nation takes to a certain state. Japan is developed and westernized, but it is not a western nation, and the effects of its rapid development are evident, like an animal raised on growth hormones.

You can have your opinion of this movie, but you can't say it has little redeeming value, or that it doesn't give the thoughtful and persistent viewer something to think about. Oshii is easily one of Japan's most distinct film-makers, with a consistent identity as a writer. It pays to try to understand his techniques and subject matter. Also realize that the film was not directed by Oshii, but Hiroyuki Okiura, so appreciate that the content may not match with the aesthetics or pacing. Take the good with the bad.

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It's more of an adult anime for intellectuals. I guess you thought it was going to be for dense little kids who like gore and robots. More of a movie for deep thinking minds into philosophy, history, and greater cinematic elements. I would recommend Dragon Ball Z for you, this probably sky rocketed over your level of comprehension for cinema.

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"I lack understanding of the second part of the phrase, 'reading and comprehension'; therefore, I feel the need to attack your post with irrelevant insults and dogmatic opinions. I automatically assume that because you did not like the movie, someone must be at 'fault,' because it is impossible that you simply dislike it because it does not fall within your tastes."

You should have said that, Zodd. It may or may not be shorter, but it accurately defines the thought behind your post.

He SAID that he was fine with other people liking it, but that he disliked that people think SO highly of the movie that it MUST be a person's ignorance or short attention span that makes them dislike the movie.
You are making a judgment call upon a person's character simply because he dislikes a particular animation, and it should be apparent to all that such is a fallacy.

Just by reading the reviews and this board, I can be fairly certain that I would dislike the movie because I don't care for movies that try to be (or are) metaphorical, or that are very slow (something that even a person who likes the movie admitted to).

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I agree if this movie wasn't your cup of tea, it would probably bore you tears. It doesn't have a lot of dialogue and the plot is thin while still complex.
Animated films seem to draw certain types of crowds. I feel that Jin-Roh fails in that it it could be seen as an amazing film by a general audience, but does not appeal to the general audience of animated films. Or to phrase it better: animation may have not been the best medium for this films release, because of its limited audience.
The story is dry, plays on historically significant events, has no real palatable dialogue or decent action. The characters aren't even your average caricatures found in anime'.
Never-the-less, it seems the film has found some fame with viewers that aren't your average anime' fans. Personally it's my favorite film. Animated or not.
Everyone's got an opinion.

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actually all the other movies in this quasi-cycle are live action ones.
honestly I believe this to be the best of the bunch, by far.

I really liked this film, fwiw, tho i can understand why it may not appeal to as many people. It certainly fails with a lot of the anime set, though for me this is just the sort of anime I enjoy.

It may not be perfect, and it may be a bit slow or even violent for some people, but I still rank this as one of my favorite films.

whether you do or don't, that is fine. I personally DO understand why this missed the mark with many in both anime and live action crowds, but I like it just the same. I certainly am not here to change anyone's mind about this film.

the other films i referred to by Mamoru Oshii that are in a quasi - cycle:
red spectacles - tt0228456/
stray dogs /tt0228457/
talking heads /tt0386065/

He has directed for both live action and anime throughout his career, as well as been a writer on several projects. I may not be a fan of all his stuff, but I still have enjoyed a lot of his work.

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Wow, the generalizations in this post. Bullcrap like this "The characters aren't even your average caricatures found in anime" especially. You must be watching all the wrong anime movies.



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I know this is too long to put a trust worthy reply for your ignorant comment regarding the "clearly rotoscoped animation".


So, concerning that specific topic, I went to Wikipedia and read this...

"Although some believe the movie makes use of rotoscoping for many characters' movements,[4] director Hiroyuki Okiura, interviewed in the Japanese special edition DVD box set, claims that he does not employ the technique. This is consistent with the realistic human animation featured in his other works.

'Nuff said.


As for the pros and cons, I couldn't agree more with you don't liking this flick, is understandable, although, personally, when I first saw this at 14, I didn't "get it" but sure I did like it a lot. I own a original DVD copy.

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I'd go for the simplest and most obvious explanation and say that most people simply have a short attention span. Hence all the comments about slow pacing, long dialogue, scenes dragging on etc (I personally can't remember any scenes that lasted for more than a couple of minutes, but that's what they say...). Someone who isn't able to pay attention for more than a couple of lines of dialogue just can't enjoy a film like this. That's why we have other animes, meant for children. There's nothing bad about this and no need for anyone to feel insulted. To each their own.

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I think you nailed it.

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I feel compelled to mention that I know for a fact that none of this film was rotoscoped (traced from live action film frames); rotoscoping is fairly rare in Japanese animation.

The animation team was of a very high quality on Jin-Roh, and the director himself, who is probably one of the best draughtsmen in the Japanese animation industry, has a distinctive 'realistic' style (see also the opening to the Cowboy Bebop film).

It is true that some video reference was used to refine some of the animation, but that is far away from actual rotoscoping.

I'm not saying one has to like the look, but do try to appreciate the painstaking and meticulous nature of the artwork.

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i LOVE the art in this. I just imported a Bluray from Japan since the American one is OOP, unfortunately. I t was well worth the $125. it is freaking gorgeous, and the detail in the dark areas is so much better than the DVDs, region 1 or 2. I only wish i could see this in theater with Japanese dialog and subtitles.

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Great movie. I will totally get this if it ever gets and European blu-ray release.

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Because there are people who want to be entertained with muscles and there are people who want to be entertained with wits.

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the movie had a great setup, great animation, and watchable leads with the "romance" that took place. It was also underwritten, a little slow, and too focused on the main characters when they should've fleshed out the details of the conflicting forces in the movie. The red riding hood stuff is not only painfully repetitive, but about as subtle as a sledgehammer. the ending is dumb too.

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