nothing but a serial killer in disguise.


dudes taking out his sadistic feelings out on inmates. he seems so happy talking about killing people.

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Never thought of it that way. Looking at him as a serial killer before. But I suppose in an odd "socially accepted" way he is a serial killer.
But at the same time I suppose the argument is that he does for the common good. The ridding of criminals.
But who's the one to judge or decide?
Certainly not man over man.

Interesting thought though. I wouldn't say he's particularly "happy" though when talks about killing people or people being killed or such. More or less a fascination. Perhaps in the same way you would talk about films to others, or a sports announcer would during the Superbowl.

I know that doesn't make it right... or necessarily wrong. But still happy isn't the word I believe to describe it.

Amused... intrigued. A fascination more or less. And calling him a serial killer... might be a little far.


Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day.

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You might find the story behind the film "Pierrepoint: The Last Hangman" interesting, if this discussion has gotten you thinking. It definitely gave me pause, and a different way of looking at the men behind the executions (just as "Mr. Death" did). If nothing else, the movie is certainly worth a watch: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462477/





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I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but the fact remains that it is legal in many states. I don't think you can really consider executioners "serial killers".

I didn't see Fred as an evil man. A silly, simple, ignorant man, perhaps, but not evil. He seemed genuinely concerned about the suffering of the condemned, albeit in a somewhat detached fashion.

As far as the gas chambers go, my god, what a moron. Chiseling out large chunks of brick from areas that have been exposed and altered for decades and expecting to prove anything! But I don't think he really set out to apologize for the Nazis; I think he just thought he could make himself out to be some sort of brilliant scientist who questioned conventional wisdom and discovered new truths. It was all about Fred.

And as far as Holocaust deniers go, I think it is wrong that they aren't allowed free speech in Germany or anywhere else. Yes, they are crazy and/or evil, but where do we draw the line in censoring speech? Aren't we just setting ourselves up for a Nazi Germany if we burn books or persecute speakers because we don't like what they say?

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"I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but the fact remains that it is legal in many states. I don't think you can really consider executioners "serial killers".




Of course you can. The supposed "legality" of the so-called "death penalty" doesn't mean that the persons put to death aren't killed. They are. Therefore, executioners are indeed serial killers.

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Just saw this movie today and I absolutely agree with this statement. I was horrified as I watched this film and even more so by the fact that elected officials in so many states spent their time talking to this man, giving him contracts.

What a sad reflection on who we have become as a society.

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genius11226 and jericho4119, I think you both missed the point. It's not as simplistic as you're trying to make it. People aren't ALL good or ALL bad and this guy is no exception. He wasn't happy "talking about killing people," but talking about alleviating suffering, and he should be given credit for that. You have to feel sorry for somebody who was so desperate to be accepted, and so misguided, that he fell in with a pack of neo-Nazi morons. And the sad thing isn't that our government gave him contracts but that the death penalty still exists in the U.S. and is as inhumane as ever.

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I have to throw this out there because I think its a major point that is constantly overlooked in the debate over the death penalty:

ITS A PUNISHMENT! ITS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE NICE AND EASY! IF YOU HAVE BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH, YOU PROBABLY DID SOMETHING PRETTY SEVERE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU ARE NOT FIT TO LIVE IN OUR SOCIETY.

THE PAIN AND SUFFERING YOU WILL ENDURE FOR 20-30 MIN IS INSIGNIFICANT IN COMPARISON TO THE PAIN AND SUFFERING OF THE FRIENDS AND FAMILIES YOU MAY HAVE IMPACTED.

The problem w/ our society is not that we still use the death penalty, but that we are so wrapped up in a system where many people believe that the state should hold someone's hand and care for them whenever something goes wrong. 'It'll be ok. It wasn't your fault. We can fix this.' Thats not always the answer. When a pitbull attacks a kid and mauls him, we put the dog down. If a guy holds up a liquor store and shoots the clerk and a customer and they die, same deal.

By they way, in case you missed it, Leuchter wasnt necessarily happy about becoming the foremost "expert" on death. He just happened upon something he was good at (problem solving) and managed to find a niche that was unoccupied (fixing capital punishment in prisons). His goal was not to create more vicious and exotic forms of killing people, but to refine the process that did exist in some prisons and develop new, more efficient and humane methods of execution.

In my mind, the saddest part is that Leuchter lost everything he had in life because he did what he thought was right as an American (aiding someone in an effort to provide the best defense in a legal case related to freedom of speech). If I were in his position, the Holocaust awareness people, the state of Delaware and Massachusetts would have all been slapped with some hefty lawsuits. Doesn't matter what I say in a trial in Canada, doesn't give someone the right to slander, or the right to a state to violate the terms of a signed contract.

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well, to me, he's still a murderer.

and let me tell you something too... a murderer is a murderer. even though there's a right and wrong, there's the law. that's the only thing that separates police officers that shoot and kill somebody for whatever reason and serial killers. what's the difference? they may kill for different reasons but they still murderers. put it in any context, if they got it in them to kill somebody, then they're dangerous. how many people you know have KILLED somebody and wasn't off in the head? he's the perfect example. the only thing you can use really is the law when talking about the death penalty. morality doesn't have anything to do with justice.

in his case, he may not press the button to the electric chair or lethal injection but he created the device knowing that it will be used to kill somebody. that makes him a murderer.

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He just designed the systems to kill people... like some companies make guns... he didn't pull the switch... if you want to call him a serial killer you have to label us all that way because as a society we have agreed to let it happen.

It's also incorrect to call him a Holocaust denier because he never denied the Holocaust... just one particular tool of it.
That being said I think it was kinda dumb of him to get suckered into helping the real Holocaust deniers.

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I'm in favor of capital punishment. With the possible exception of lethal injection, I don't think any form of CP is totally painless. This could be a possible deterrent in itself by giving would-be murderers some second thoughts before committing murder.
Also, if the media spent an equal amount of time showing the victim's surviving family and friends grieving, or even show the deceased victim lying in his/her casket, them, maybe, there would be less resistance against capital punishment and more executions might be carried out, possibly adding to the deterrent effect

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Actually he are not in any way a killer, unless making guns and knives make you one as well.

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