He didn't really deserve what happened to him


Did the holocaust really happen? Without a doubt. Should people deny it? Absolutely not. Does Fred really deserve what happened, I don't think so. I don't see him as a racist or anti-semite, i see him as a guy who just wanted people to respect his opinion and fit in somewhere. Being asked to be an expert witness is what really set him off because I don't think he was very much respected at that point. What he did was wrong, but it shouldn't ruin his life.

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He can repent, right now he can give up his associations and try to disprove his "findings". Until then he along with all other Holocaust deniers can wallow in their own filth.

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He actually never denied the Holocaust.

I am not a Holocaust denier, an anti-semite, or even a Holocaust revisionist, but I don't think there's anything morally wrong with honest attempts to revise history. In fact, historical revision is, in every other context, widely recognized as a legitimate pursuit of historians.

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Sort of. Historians continually revise facts and figures based on new evidence. However, Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. was hired by Zundel, an infamous Holocaust denier, to help prove that the Holocaust did not happen. He "discovered" evidence that has been discredited by everyone since, and which is clearly outside his own realm of expertise. While historians revise facts and figures, they also put their heads on the blocks by doing so. If they present faulty evidence outside of their own area of expertise then the axe (rightly) falls. Just think back to the infamous Hitler Diaries, and how many historians lost their reputations because they spoke to the authenticity of those forged documents.

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Though, of course, the man who exposed the fraud of The Hitler Diaries was David Irving, and now he's denounced as a "holocaust denier" too, whatever the hell that smear is supposed to mean.

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Irving has renounced some of his beliefs, looks like he has seen the light, he no longer claims there were no nazi gas chambers.

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What evidence do you have for this?

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He did research from an entirely un-partisan point of view so I would tend to agree.

None-the-less his research was not really that scientific. He gathered evidence in a haphazard way and it was later explained that any cyanide used in the mass executions at Auchwicz would have washed off the walls over the passage of time.

I do think he was probibly a smart guy who did some interesting work.

Personally I am against the death penalty but the way I see it, if you are going to kill someone you should do it the right way.

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"He did research from an entirely un-partisan point of view."

Well that's what he said in the film, but I am skeptical. God knows what his original intent was, but after he testified about his results in Zundel's trial, he voluntarily became a spokesperson for Holocaust denial, travelling around to conferences etc. Possibly he was motivated more by the desire for attention than anything else.

"it was later explained that any cyanide used in the mass executions at Auchwicz would have washed off the walls over the passage of time."

Not exactly. In the film it was explained by the lab technician who performed the tests on Leuchter's samples that any cyanide residue on the surface of the walls would have been diluted beyond recognition in the lab because Leuchter dug too deep into the walls. Furthermore I believe it was explained by a historian in the film that the gas chamber Leuchter tested was a reconstruction done by the Polish government, and that the bricks from the real gas chambers might have been used to build apartment buildings in the vicinity.

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The Forensic Institute of Cracow completely rebuked Leuchter's findings. They used more advanced techniques and did find traces of cyanide. Leuchter admitted at Zundel's trial that he had no degree in science or engineering. I do not feel sorry for the guy, really, he let himself be swindled by Zundel, and ruined his own legitimacy and reputation. I do not think he was ever sincere about his findings; he was simply chosen because was an expert on methods of executions, and Zundel needed some kind of intellectual or pseudo-intellectual to speak in his defense.

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http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/

I can give you more links if you want them. I am not a scientist, so the technical language of these reports, as well as Leuchter's is really beyond me, but I have no reason to think that Leuchter was more of a scientist than any of the people who produced the articles and the reports above. The Leuchter Report shows up on revisionist and denier websites, the links above are to websites devoted to combatting Holocaust denial and revisionism. Interestingly enough, I have never found these articles and reports included on websites that have heavily touted the Leuchter Report. It seems they want to give you the Leuchter Report, but not anything that contests it. Follow these links, read the information they provide, and then see what you find more convincing.

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I have no doubt that the holocaust DID happen, but should what happend to this man have happend, no, as someone else here said, he appeared to me to be more of a nerdy little man who got cought in something he had no business in, what was done to him was too extreme in my opinion

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I'm not so sure that his research was un-partisan.

The only place you hear the voice of Errol Morris is when he asks the final question:

"Have you ever thought that you might be wrong or do you think that you could make a mistake?"

and I think Leuchter makes a bit of a Freudian slip with his answer:

"No I'm past that. When I attempted to turn those facilities into gas execution facilities and was unable to, I made a decision at that point that I wasn't wrong..."

Sounds like he's telling us he already believed that the gas chambers were not actually gas chambers and that his 'research' just helped him to cement that belief.

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Whilst there can be arguments that Leuchter was unfairly persecuted by Jewish groups as a anti-Semite, his own ignorance did not help matters. Leuchter based his beliefs for denying the Holocaust on his personal opinions for designing execution chambers. Since he felt the rooms had flawed designs for executing through gas, Leuchter therefore assumed they could not be gas chambers. Instead of basing his verdict upon believing execution should be a humane process, Leuchter should have realised the Nazis did not plan to treat Jewish people humanly.

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Yes, it almost came across as he had some personal objection towards gas chambers as a killing method already early on in the movie, stating that it would 30-35 minutes for people to be properly killed in it and it's clear that he saw them as ineffective, completely neglecting the fact that when you're killing 50 or so people at a time it's clearly a very effective way, both in the quantity of people getting killed and in personel required to do the dirty work.

From just seeing this documentary I'm not even sure he's denying that people got killed in that quantity (at one point he outbursts "there might be 50 electric chairs hidden under Berlin!" or something of the like) - maybe he's said things about that subject on his tour on neo-nazi conventions as I haven't heard of the man outside this documentary.

But just from watching this it was like an irrational obsession specifically against the gas chambers. Why? Who knows.

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