So ... Canada has thought-crimes?


First, so it's clear, let me say I think the evidence is that the holocaust did happen. The letters between the nazi officials establish this.

However, as an American, I find it very disturbing that espousing any point of view will get you time in jail. Making thought crimes illegal really makes Canada look like a bunch of fascist, anti-freedom asshats, IMO.

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What letters? There is no documented evidence of a mass extermination policy, you are talking out of your ass.

Look up David Cole's tour of the Auschwitz gas chambers. He demonstrates that beyond Leuchter's findings of lack of residue, the gas chambers themselves have doors that did not lock from the outside, WINDOWS that were barred making them unusable for such a purpose, and the lack of Zyklon B residue on the inside as well.

Men like David Irving have professed to the absolute lack of evidence against Hitler and the leading Nazis for an extermination policy. That is, there was prosecution and even murder of the Jews by Nazis, but it was not carried out through a genocidal official policy and no gas chambers were used on a large scale to execute people.

Canada isn't the only place that jails people for questioning the Holocaust. In many European countries you can get up to 4 years for questioning the evidence (or lack thereof). Hell, even in the United States (though I give them credit for not doing such things) as this film demonstrated if a man like Leuchter dares to out himself and conduct such experiments that may refute or damage the Holocaust narrative your life will be crushed by the media.

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You're the one who's talking out their ass. Not only are their NUMEROUS letters between senior Nazis, there are COUNTLESS orders proving that extermination was the policy of the Nazi State - not just of Jews mind you - AND there are records which show, in full detail (they were Germans after all), that the transportation and execution of Jews occurred. There is SUBSTANTIAL and OVERWHELMING evidence that the Holocaust occurred. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that it happened, except in the minds of complete imbeciles and the totally delusional.

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Have you even looked at these numerous letters? they contain what is referred to as euphemisms, euphemisms are no proof of anything unless you can prove they were using euphemisms which they have not, I've been researching this for nearly a year now and there is not one single bit of evidence proving that the Nazi's were gassing Jews or anybody.

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Yes I have looked at the letters and at least you admit they exist. Euphemisms ARE proof, especially when used in conjunction with other evidence. They have been used on numerous occasions, particularly in drug and organised crime trials. In the case of the Nazis they are backed up by untold volumes of other evidence. To say that there is "...not one single bit of evidence proving that the Nazi's were gassing Jews or anybody..." is not only completely ridiculous but absolutely disgusting. Only a complete imbecile who is being completely obtuse and deliberately ignoring the evidence could say such an absurd and horrible thing.

Having said that all of that, they DID NOT ALWAYS use euphemisms and there are a number of examples of mistakes, including one in which Himmler used the word "extermination" (in German of course).

The evidence includes:

1. The Nazis kept exstensive records which showed in black and white what they did.
2. A number of the lead Nazis were put on trial in Nuremberg and MOUNTAINS of evidence was provided which proved the Holocaust. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE LEAD NAZIS DID NOT DENY WHAT THEY DID, THEY SIMPLY USED THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY WERE FOLLOWING ORDERS. In other words the lead Nazis ADMITTED what had been done in open court!
3. Literally millions of Jewish people were shipped off to "camps", never to be seen again, all of which was completely documented. Why don't you explain to us where those people disappeared to??? Or are you also one of these idiots who claims that millions of Jews didn't actually disappear off the face of the earth? If you stick your head in the sand deeply enough then you can believe anything I suppose???

You are an absolutely DISGUSTING person and you should be thrown in jail. In fact you should be tortured, starved, gassed, and then have your body thrown into a pit. The reason there are laws against Holocaust denial is that THERE IS ABSOLTELY NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT IT HAPPENED and we cannot allow complete morons like you to say otherwise because it invariably leads to other cretins starting to believe it too.

IF YOU DENY THE HOLOCAUST AGAIN ON THIS SITE YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE REMOVED AND YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE CLOSED.

Now F#CK OFF retard...

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Yes, *beep* nazis, holocaust deniers and dumb-ass Fred!
But everyone forgot the message by the OP because of their Nazikilleryskillz.

"However, as an American, I find it very disturbing that espousing any point of view will get you time in jail. Making thought crimes illegal really makes Canada look like a bunch of fascist, anti-freedom asshats, IMO."

The point being: Is it illegal to express your totally retarded point of
view in Canada? I really hope not, 'cause I'm thinking about moving there.


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At the risk of being deemed a lunatic here, I will voice my opinion of the whole thing.

First and foremost, mass killings did occur within the regime of Nazi Germany. This is all well documented. If they were part of an extermination plan, which came from Hitler, that is a totally different case, and still has a lot of questions to it. Nobody can even say for sure if those orders came from Hitler, or from his secret police. But all in all, its fair to say that they killings did occur.

Second, I have been to Treblinka, Auschwich (spelling), Sachsenhausen (spelling again) and numerous other former camps of the Nazis, as I was writing a paper on this while still in High School (went there when I was 15 years old). As for Auschwich, one can only wonder about a lot of things that doesn't make any sense.

I am no Holocaust-denier. Far from it. But I believe in the freedom of discussing matters. Once someone comes forward with questions about evidence of this thing, it takes five minutes and someone comes along with very harsh language and just threatens said person. I find that appalling.

If the Holocaust happened, why so afraid of discussing it? I don't understand the rhetoric in that. I have a couple Jewish friends here where I live, and they are in agreement with me on this one. If there is someone who is stuck so far up their ass that they can't see sunlight, its those people who come off as brutes who wants to force the "truth" on you.

But, as much as I want freedom of speech, I agree that the evidence of the event is overwhelming, considering all the orders found between the Germans, the confessions at Nuremberg (which may be in question actually since they were most likely tortured as well, which invalidates any confession by human right laws), and all the other things found in the aftermath.

But what I find very interesting is this. One cannot discuss the Holocaust before someone slanders you and the Zionists call you anti-Semitic and ruins your life for good. BUT, discussing the slaughter of how many millions under Stalin is okay. The untold millions of Chinese that were slaughtered by the Japanese is alright to discuss. Why not the Holocaust? Makes me wonder if the Zionists have something to hide about it. My dad always told me that if someone has something to hide, they don't wanna discuss it. This case proves that point.

One cannot simply say that "the evidence is so overwhelming that no discussion is needed". My history professor in school was RESEARCHING the Holocaust and the Nazi Regime for decades. I will not start on what he was telling us about this, it will just make people angry. Suffice it to say, he always had a mantra that "Everything is up for a discussion and interpretation."

You should all live by that.

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There's a difference between academic discussion and ANY form of "trying to argue that it didn't happen".

As was pointed out already, just look at the Nuremburg trials of the primary war criminals - they clearly admitted to it fully - entire days were spent showing films recorded at the camps.

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO ground to stand on to even play Devil's Advocate and argue the position that the Holocaust did not occur... it was very clearly documented by both the Nazis themselves and court proceedings (that the key surviving Nazis _never_ disagreed with the basic truth of) that it both happened and was a very intentional extermination effort.

Those who try to deny it are simply ignoring all of the very clear evidence there is in the Nuremberg trials themselves - they didn't deny what they did, they simply tried to pass the buck and assert that it wasn't their personal responsibility that it HAD happened.

They claimed "Führerprinzip", as if that would exonerate them from their personal responsibility - they never once denied that it had happened.

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