Other dogma films?


I ahve been on the dogme 95 website and seen a list of the dogme films but could anyone recommend any which are avaialbe and which are good/different. I have only seen 'Julien' and 'The Idiots' directed by the great Lars Von trier and I want to see more.

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could someone please tell me what exactly dogma films are?

"Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood." www.tarantino.info

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http://www.dogme95.dk/ Go to that site, and look at the manifesto, and the "Vow of Chastity". If you don't feel like going through all the trouble, Dogme 95 is just a method of filmmaking thought up by a group of Danish filmmakers tired of bad movies. The idea is to basically trim off the fat, and get back to the soul of film, or something like that.

If you are interested in Dogme films at all, you have to see "Festen" or by its English title, "The Celebration". It was the first Dogme film, and its the best--and most powerful--of the four I have seen. And since you liked "The Idiots", I would also recommend "Italian for Beginners", which is actually a kind of romantic-comedy, but don't be put off, its not your standard Sandra Bullock tripe. It is certainly a more light-hearted film than "Julien Donkey-Boy" or "The Idiots", though.

I'd also like to say that I hated "Julien Donkey-Boy", and I only sat through the whole thing because I like Werner Herzog. And it shamelessly violated the "vow of chastity" left and right.

For example: Rule #10 states that "The director must not be credited". He even includes a picture of himself at the end.


It's okay, Chief, I have my inflatable girl.
--Maxwell Smart

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thanks for the info
I'll check the site out asap

"Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood." www.tarantino.info

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the best dogma 95 film out there is FESTEN

"Just Like in Gummo!"

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Festen is great, definatelly check that one out before anything else.

Mifune isn't bad either, but its not exceptional.

Harmony doesn't break too many rules - 2: music, 6: superficial action (the death of the baby), 9: not all on 35 milimeter (it was shot on digital film), and 10: the director credit. Of course the ending is essentially un-dogme, but I think the spirit and message of the film stays on track with dogme's intentions very well.

Also, the film format and direction credit are broken by almost every director. Directors are credited right below the title on the dogme webpage, so rule 10 doesn't really matter, and the film format rule is apparently irrelevant if the video is transferred.

Breaking the vow is done in most dogme movies, and Julien Donkey-Boy is no worse, I don't think.

Plus, will oldham named it! That's gotta count for something, right?

What else didn't you like about it?

-Steven A

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Open Hearts is great too, one of the best Dogmes i've seen so far.

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The King is Alive is wonderfully shot, greatly acted. Not everyone's cup of tea to be sure, but I think it is my second favorite after Festen.

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Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about. How many dogme films have you seen? I can see you saying that about Julien Donkey-Boy. It's a hard watch.

But Festen? The King is Alive? Italian For Beginners? Open Hearts? They all have fantastic dialogue, great narrative arc, they are all wonderfully shot and have excellent acting, and weren't improvised. The Idiots contained a lot of improvisation, is that the one you might have seen?

In fact by saying things like "improvisation" and "stirring music" you really give yourself away. Music in particular, as one of the rules of dogme is that a soundtrack cannot be added.

It was a reactionary experimental movement that died out over time, but it's had a huge impact on mainstream film in general. See remakes of Brothers or Zach Braff's upcoming Open Hearts, or see the Dardennes or a wealth of great European thrillers that've come out in the past two or three years (Tell No One and Just Another Love Story, for example are two that Ebert raved over).

Just the minimalist digitalia of films like Blair Witch or Paranormal Activity was originally the foundation of dogme concept. One could even attribute Mann's recent films and the way he shoots to dogme influence -- see Public Enemies, for instance.

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Half?

You've given nothing in particular. You are fully exposed.

Which ones are you referring to that "add[ed] loads of music"?

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Currently my top 10 is:

01. Festen / The Celebration (Thomas Vinterberg, 1998)
02. Idioterne / The Idiots (Lars Von Trier, 1998) denmark
03. Julien Donkey-Boy (Harmony Korine, 1999)
04. Open Hearts / Elsker dig for evigt (Susanne Bier, 2002)
05. Italian for Beginners / Italiensk for begyndere (Lone Scherfig, 2000)
06. Mifune's Last Song / Mifunes sidste sang (Søren Kragh-Jacobsen, 1999)
07. Truly Human / Et Rigtigt Menneske (Ake Sandgren, 2001)
08. The King Is Alive (Kristian Levring, 2000)
09. Kira’s Reason: A Love Story (Ole Christian Madsen, 2001)
10. *beep* (José Luis Márques, 2000)



PS: still have to see these ones below, but I can't found them! If anyone knows how to watch them please share it:

Reunion (Mark Poggi, Lief Tilden, 2001)
Lonely Child (Pascal Robitaille, 2005)
Brothers / Brodre (Susan Bier, 2004)
The Outcome / El desenlace (Juan Pinzás, 2005)
Lovers (Jean-Marc Barr, 1999)
Interview (Hyuk Byun, 2000)
Era Outra Vez / Once Upon Another Time (Juan Pinzás, 2001)
Resin (Vladimir Gyorski, Steven Sobel, 2001)
Joy Ride (Martin Rengel, 2002)
Diapason (Antonio Domenici, 2001)
In Your Hands (Anette K. Olesen, 2004)
Plymouth Adventure (Clarence Brown, 1952)
Amerikana (James Merendino, 2001)
Después de la boda / Efter Brylluppet (Susan Bier, 2006)
etc.

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