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What I see in the Patterson film

posted 17 years ago by j-schwandt
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Upon viewing a stabilized version of this film, I can see that the Patterson "creature" DOES completely straighten its legs from thigh to ankle when it plants each foot on the ground. I can see it most easily at the very beginning of the film, before it walks behind the downed trees.

I see straight lines (seams) in the costume, and in a late frame showing the back, a straight vertical line (a seam) where the right arm joins the torso.
I also see a white spot at the right knee, and 2 identical spots at the right hip, and it appears to me as if they are somehow connected under the fur. (A "v" shaped ridge in the right leg)

I believe the "creature" in the Patterson/Gimlin 1967 film is a person in a fur suit.

However, I don't know how the footprints found there could have been imprinted into the soil so deeply. (They were what, twice as deep as a 200 pound man would make in the same soil?)

And some of the footprints have dermal ridges (like fingerprints) in them. Dermal ridges are not easily faked.

Are all the people who report seeing a bigfoot lying or mistaken about what they see? No, I think they're seeing SOMETHING. Are all the sightings hoaxes? If they were, it would involve a lot of people with ape suits.

Maybe the BFRO could detect a chronological pattern in the sightings, maybe computer-map them to see if people are staging fake sightings?

Maybe there will have to be laws against shooting a Bigfoot (to avoid shooting a person in a monkey suit), and laws against people wearing monkey suits outdoors, where they could get shot.

Is Bigfoot real? Maybe, but I don't know. The videos, pictures, stories, and sound recordings don't really PROVE anything. There will have to be a body for scientists to examine.

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[–] Postal_Dude_Paradise_AZ 16 years ago

The suit is just that , is no better than Hollywood, the definition of the video is bad and confuses the shapes, so the costume looks better than it actually was.

[–] FdAgent35 16 years ago

It was a guy in a suit. Geez. Yup bigfoots have been around everywhere around the world but none captured or dead corpses except fakes. Give it up. If they were real they would be seen and found everywhere.

[–] Postal_Dude_Paradise_AZ 16 years ago

Of course.

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[–] Marshal_Law 16 years ago

My God, only delusional loser with no life believe this $hit... they really want it to be real... think how sad that is...

"I'm a Hero Hunter, I hunt Heroes. Haven't found any yet."

[–] c-schwandt 14 years ago

Bigfoot-like creatures have been seen in many places. Most sightings last only a few seconds, leaving a person with very little time to get a camera or a gun out.

In the wild, dead animals decompose very quickly. Not even bears who've died of natural causes have been found.

Capture a Bigfoot? How does a person capture a Bigfoot, especially a full-grown one? This is a HUGE wild animal.

How would anyone know what size gun to use to kill one? If you didn't kill it with your first shot, it could attack you and kill you.

Animals thought to be extinct, or even nonexistent, have been found. Celocanth, Mountain Gorilla, Giant Panda, etc.

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[–] boywonderpowpunch 12 years ago

I seen some show once that pointed out so many facts about how it was just a hoax. The Patterson guy finds Bigfoot almost right away upon setting out to find him, yeah right and supposedly he was in bad financial shape and after getting this video footage he profited from it a lot.

BELOW - THE DETAILS
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"Anthropologist David Daegling writes that the "more cynical skeptics" see Patterson's luck as "more than a little suspicious: He sets out to make a Bigfoot documentary, then almost literally stumbles across a Bigfoot." Daegling, however, offers the benefit of the doubt, noting that Patterson's reasoning is sound: In seeking something elusive, he went to where it had been reported. Bluff Creek was also the site of well-known Bigfoot hoaxer Bill Wallace. In Roger Patterson's book, he mentions meeting with Wallace twice."
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In 2002, Philip Morris of Morris Costumes (a North Carolina-based company offering costumes, props and stage products) claimed that he made a gorilla costume that was used in the Patterson film. Morris says he discussed his role in the hoax privately in the 1980s but first admitted it publicly on August 16, 2002, on Charlotte, North Carolina, radio station WBT-AM. Morris claims he was reluctant to expose the hoax earlier for fear of harming his business: giving away a performer's secrets, he said, would be widely regarded as disreputable.
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Morris said that he sold an ape suit to Patterson via mail-order in 1967, thinking it was going to be used in what Patterson described as a "prank" (ordinarily the gorilla suits he sold were used for a popular side-show routine that depicted an attractive woman changing into a gorilla.) After the initial sale, Morris said that Patterson telephoned him asking how to make the "shoulders more massive"and the "arms longer."Morris says he suggested that whoever wore the suit should wear wide football-type shoulder pads and hold sticks in his hands within the suit. His assertion was also printed in the Charlotte Observer.Morris' wife and business partner Amy had vouched for her husband and claims to have helped frame the suit. Morris offered no evidence apart from testimony to support his account.
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Bob Heironimus claims to have been the figure depicted in the Patterson film, and his allegations are detailed in Long's book. Heironimus was a tall (6' 2), muscular Yakima, Washington, native, age 26, when he says Patterson offered him $1000 to wear an ape suit for a Bigfoot film. Bob Gimlin was on Bob Heironimus' horse, Chico, when the PGF was being filmed. Heironimus is one of numerous people who are claimed to be visible in an unreleased second reel of the film.