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Another Confession Of Fakery


Ray L. Wallace, who sparked a great interest in the Bigfoot legend & myth when he "found" a set of 16" footprints in Humboldt County, California in 1958, has died at the age of 84 (Nov. 26, 2002). With his death comes the revelation, by his own family, that the entire footprint finding was a hoax concocted and executed by Ray, his brother Wibur, and a friend using carved wooden "feet". The Patterson film was also mentioned as a hoax:
{from Yahoo! News/ U.S. National AP}

{Wallace said he told Patterson where to spot a Bigfoot near Bluff Creek, Calif., Chorvinsky recalled. "Ray told me that the Patterson film was a hoax, and he knew who was in the suit."

Michael Wallace said his father called the Patterson film "a fake" but claimed he'd had nothing to do with it. But he said his mother admitted she had been photographed in a Bigfoot suit, and that his father "had several people he used in his movies."}

Wallace also made several films, photographs & even sound recordings which are now admitted fakes. Tsk Tsk. :^(

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You comments fall short of dis-proving the '67 Patterson film. The bottom line is that the film still holds up against all scrutiny since '67.

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Actually, I find the confessions rather revealing. Moreso, any brain-dead idiot can clearly see that the supposed Bigfoot in the film walks with the gait of a large man, not a so-called creature of the forests. I could have pointed out the obvious fakery at age 8, and I often did.

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squrpleboy, sorry but you are very uneducated. this film still holds today, there was no confession on this film. However I firmly believe it is a hoax but there has been no evidence to prove otherwise.

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Perhaps the word you were looking for was misinformed, rather than uneducated. Misinformed would imply that I am incorrect due to having received false or misleading information, whereas uneducated implies that I have not received adequate education, but I did, though you have absolutely no knowledge of it.

Either way, it's still a big, fat, hairy fake.

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For some one out to debunk a film that has not been able to be in 30 plus years and has paseed as recent as 2003 and 2004 both video, audio and zoological studies which have come to the same end, the creature could not have been a man in a suit, there was not eveidence of tampering with the film, the creature it self did not move like a man unless he was over 7 feet tall and weighed over 500 pounds. Learn your facts as this film has come away holding strong you have picked a bad choice of films. As for the alleged death bed coffesions they were not recorded, written down or witnessed by any one how did not have a something to gain from the "confession". The family of the man who in 57 found tracks and made audio recording was asked by several groups to reproduce the said hoak with wooded feet. They have been unable to do so and one son nearly killed himself in the attempt. As for bigfoot being a hoak, a fake whatever, I am a believer because of one very simple reason, I have heard them and have had the rare previlage of having seen one. Call me crazy, a liar what ever but do it to may face and in my backyard at arround 11pm and we will see who has to run for a change of underwear..........................

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You might wanna lay off the booze...



...especially when wandering around all alone in the woods pantless and crying because the aliens didn't wanna probe you after all.

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Let me guess you grew up in a sweet little town had lots of friends and lots of money but when push came to shove you were scared to even look at anybody crossed eyed or they would have kicked the crap out of you. Well I grew up on the farm, did my time in Kuwait, Iraq, Somilia, and I saw *beep* that would make you cry for mama so you would like to call names, you have no right to put me down, and why did you mention aliens, I sure as hell did not and for what it is worth I DONT DRINK, and I treat wilderness and all life in it with more respect then I do people becuse of pea brained morons like you.........

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Have you ever heard the song "I'm My Own Grandpaw"?
Something tells me it was written just for you.



P.S. Bigfoot called, she wants her panties back.



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nah time travell is not a reality yet, when have the know how but we dont have the tesch to make it work, or i guess you never heard of Camp Hero NJ of the philidelphia Experiment which was loosly based on army DOD records and unless you think the DOD makes up stories that cost the tax payers millions of dollars. But if that was the best come back you had I guess it is true a battle with a unarmed person even one invoving easily obtained documented facts is to easy to win oh well maybe your one smart thing is hating showgirls, but then almost every one does any how...

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I believe in it. Because mankind does not know everything and never will. He assumes he can though. And that's just plain arrogance.

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Man as a species has only be here for a very short time, we are one of the youngest species on the planet and we still have not explored the full extent of our world but yet we assume we know every thing there is to know about it and rush ahead destroying the planet by pollution, deforestation and extermination. To say that a creature like Bigfoot, yeti do not exist is pure stupidity. For years the giant squid was a myth till proof was found it was real. The Celocath from the Idian Ocean was extinct for a few million years until they were caught by fisherman and proved to still be a thriving species. That alone should provoide scientist enough curioisty to do serious research into bigfoot, but they treat it like a joke. We are so convinced of our own superiority that we do not want to admit we do not know every thing, That will eventualy caome back to haunt us, and I hoipe I live to see the day when it happens because I will be laughing with joy.

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This person 'boy' is soooo wrong, sorry but this film shows a genuine Bigfoot, it was NEVER revealed as a hoax (don't know where he got that story) because it is NOT a hoax. People have tried to copy the creature, it has failed. Chambers said he had nothing to do with it. These creatures exist, countless sightings have taken place, they're out there, and it won't be long before critters like 'boy' will have to look very ashamed in the mirror.

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(6 yrs later, like there's any chance getting back to the cretin....)

little purpleboy
You're a disrespectful troll, who shows ABSOLUTELY no respect for those who have put their lives on the line for scum like you. You have the right to speak your peace as do I. Your demonstration of retorts in a discussion of cryptozoology and sasquatch shows you have no academic proof and must resort to personal attacks and name calling. You obviously lack the education, intelligence and maturity to engage in such activities! Go away, you paint yourself as the immature, arrogant self delusional fool that you are, and impress no one!

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Are you some kind of a retard? EXPERTS on the matter can't say if it is a man or an unknown creature on that footage. EXPERTS say that a man could not possibly have moved like that. Enough BS!

"I drink too much. The last time I gave a urine sample it had an olive in it."
Rodney Dangerfield

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you dare say brain-dead when you use the "word" fakery?

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There are so many people who think they know everything! As you grow older, hopefully you get wiser. When you realize you don't know everything, you have gained some wisdom. Facts as they stand now Jan 2010, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A VALID REFUTATION OF THE PATTERSON/GIMLIN FILM. AND... AS A MATTER OF FACT WITH MODERN COMPUTER ANALYSIS OF P/GF, USING ACTUAL DISCRETE DATA, USING SUCH INDICES AS THE INTERMEMBRAL INDEX, WHICH COMPARES THE RELATIVE LENGTHS BETWEEN PARTS OF THE BODY, SUCH AS FOREARM LENGTH AS COMPARED TO UPPER ARM, SHOULDER WIDTH COMPARED TO HEIGHT. THESE FIGURES ARE CONSISTANT WITHIN MEMBERS OF THE SAME SPECIE AND ARE DIFFERENT WHEN COMPARING DIFFERENT SPECIES. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT THE FIGURE IN THE P/GF COULD NOT BE A HUMAN BEING. THERE IS OTHER EVIDENCE, EDUCATE YOURSELF!! TO THE PERSON WHO STATED THAT THAT EVOLUTION 'PROVES' SASQUATCH CAN'T EXIST, I GUESS YOU ARE JUST LIKE WESTERN CIVILISATION PRIOR TO 1857 WHO SAID THAT GORILLAS COULDN'T EXIST. WELL I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE, BUT NOT ONLY DO GORILLAS EXIST SO DO SUSQUI !!

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Evolution is a THEORY and has many loops holes in it such as "extinct" creatures being found alive and well. Proof of living creatures such as gigantopithicus (sorry if I spell this wrong)are found in the historical record, witch could have been the ancestor of bigfoot, yeti, etc. Lets also not for get that evolution was the basis for the NAZI extermination camps. The treatment of the Native American and the African American as lower forms of humans. So Bomgar, are you just stupid or want to live with your head stuck in the sand or up you own backside?

"NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN, NOTHING IS EVER FORGOTTEN" ROBIN (ROBIN HOOD) OF LOXLEY
The wolf

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Hey, if a whole Patterson-film-was-a-hoax book couldn't debunk this, any words from Ray Wallace's family sure don't matter!

"I drink too much. The last time I gave a urine sample it had an olive in it."
Rodney Dangerfield

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I don't know what you're on about but the film is not faked, it's one of the the most important pieces of film ever shot, it's up there with the moon landing.

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Are you replying to me?? Cause I'm clearly with you on this one...

"I drink too much. The last time I gave a urine sample it had an olive in it."
Rodney Dangerfield

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I misunderstood your post, sorry.

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That's ok.

"I drink too much. The last time I gave a urine sample it had an olive in it."
Rodney Dangerfield

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Vision_Drummer: Yeah, that's the proof we've been waiting for! You put it to bed rght there and then. Go to sleep America! There is no such thing as a Bigfoot. The 'ol mighty have spoken and his words are both powerful and true.

Please...

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This film real. The moon landing not so much.

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Heres the problem with bigfoot, Its pretty much imposible for it to be real, yet people are seeing it throughout the world. I cant explain it, neither can any of you. Its just one of lifes biggest mysteries.

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Just finished reading "The Making of Bigfoot - The inside story" by Greg Long (2004 Prometheus Books) Names are named; The book has integrity. Read it; then get on with it.

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"Just finished reading "The Making of Bigfoot - The inside story" by Greg Long (2004 Prometheus Books) Names are named; The book has integrity. Read it; then get on with it." - Integrity? Names are made? Wow, thanks for the proof, now we will all read it and accept the words in it blindly like if it was The Bible =/

That book have been debunked sooooo many times it's not even funny. You can read all about it online, bigfootforums.com is one place. There are a huge amount of inconsistencies in it, wrongful assumptions and his "research" was very poor, he only asked things that would make it seem as he had a case, no follow-up questions when those were needed. People with actual knowledge of this has teared it apart, chapter by chapter. The book flopped, Bob Heironimous (the alleged guy in the suit) was proven to be full of sh!t, changed his story several times and deliberately lied all along (also proven). And don't even get me started on the gait (which he is supposed to duplicate perfectly), it was pathetic to see.

Greg Long was even a member on bigfootforums and agreed to answer a few questions.
Can you guess what he did when the questions were too hard for him to answer without any proof? He threatened to bomb Canada. And no, I am NOT lying. It's all on the forum, just search for Greg Long and you will see the posts.

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lol

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"People say "she walks with her knees bent." Look at the BEGINNING of the film.
You can see her take at least 2 steps with the legs STRAIGHTENED, just like we humans walk" - Sorry, don't see it. Is it impossible for an unknown primate to seemingly walk like a human for a few steps? Monkey see, monkey do?

"And look at the costume. Many STRAIGHT LINES (seams) in it." - Please point it out using photoshop or something. It's been disected as hell by professionals etc, no seems, nothing. Maybe you see what you want to see?

"I'll believe Bigfoot is real if a BODY ever turns up. How could it be proven real without a body?" - I don't think anyone has ever said that it can be proven without a body.

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"vivauruguay85 , your arguments are weak, I would own you in a debate on the existence of this animal. your only argument is based on this footage. Anyone who says this cant be faked has brain damage. its that simple. if you argue with me, then you're clearly not worth arguing with, as you don't know basic facts about how life works."

This is a discussion board for the Patterson-film, not anything else, there's a lot of other arguments available for the existence of Bigfoot.

Go ahead and try to own me, why not start with my post about Greg Long's book that didn't prove anything?

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Fossil history proves a history of giant primates. Gorilla lived in the thousands and were not seen often until man and his stupidity started cutting down there homes. the same could be true not with bigfoot in that more and more and in the last decade more sightings have been reported by persons who would have no reson to make up the story. As for bodies, you would be lucky to find the remains of any animal that dies in the deeper wooded areas after 2-3 days as for a history of apes in North America, dont forget elephants, rhinos used to live in North America and now are only found in Africa.
"NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN, NOTHING IS EVER FORGOTTEN" ROBIN (ROBIN HOOD) OF LOXLEY
The wolf

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My aren't we a pompous ass?? Predicting the winner in a debate that won't happen. Since a fool like you can do it, I guess I can also. If we were to have a debate, bomgar vs glphil, I would humiliate you so bad, you would realise your only option to save face would be hari kiri.

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Proof of bigfoot can be proven with out a body but it would take samples of skin, hair, blood tested and the retested and recollected from multiple sources and by multiple labs. I just hope that if the tests are done on a body it is one that was not killed but found.

"NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN, NOTHING IS EVER FORGOTTEN" ROBIN (ROBIN HOOD) OF LOXLEY
The wolf

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No, I would say YOU are UNEDUCATED because YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE AS TO WHAT "EVIDENCE" IS. Nor do you seem to KNOW how to present evidence or how to conduct yourself as an adult. All signs of a lack of education!

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This why voting in America is pointless. Morons like Bigfoot believers' votes count equally to people with a brain.



And that's how you narrate a story.

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Speaking of morons, noonah, do you believe in gorillas? Until 1857, troglodytes such as yourself said it was impossible for such creatures to exist. There are many, with open minds such as myself, who believe a relative of the gorilla, could exist in North America. There is no scientific evidence to preclude this. There are only arrogant fools who state Bigfoots' existence is impossible.

What despotic dictatorship has brainwashed you into thinking that all the important decisions for you & your country by an appointed third party, are in your best interests?

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