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LB began as a rip-off of Stephen King's Langoliers?


Well, let's see:

-Both stories begin on an airplane in which most of the passengers have vanished.

-In both instances, the physical bodies of the passengers are gone while their clothes, wigs, dental work, etc remain behind.

-Both feature a pilot as one of the main characters/heroes and use that pilot's pov (3rd person limited.) Both pilots have marital trouble and at least one child.

-Both stories have the (sorry, but they are!) annoying explicative character who magically figure everything out and explain everything for the reader's benefit.

-The plot revolves around the characters figuring out what's going on and then reacting to their circumstances. (Or,in the case of LB, not reacting because everything is preordained so why bother doing anything.)

Finally, "The Langoliers" was first published as a novella in 1990. The first "Left Behind" book was published in 1995. That means King did it first. I just can't help but feeling that LaHaye and/or Jenkins got wind of "The Langoliers" (possibly during the made-for-TV movie that came out in 1995) and said, "Ohh, it's gotta be the Rapture! What?! It's NOT the Rapture? Here, let me write it the way it should be!"

Thoughts?

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While I don't believe in the rapture (not biblical), I saw stories back in the 70's about the rapture that implied everyone would just disappear leaving clothes, etc behind. People have long believed that Christians would just disappear leaving destruction behind. So, no, imo I don't believe it's a rip off.

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Umm...Julie, there is much more Biblical evidence for Rapture than any other theory out there (mid or post trib) and the only one that lines up with Biblical prophecy without contadicting scripture, which both mid and post trib views do. Events currently happing in our world are fufilling prophecy on a daily basis. Time is shorter than you may think.

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Please provide me the very "first" verse that describes a rapture in the new testament. And please make it something other than 1st Thes 4:17. Because if that's the one, Paul himself goes in in chapter 5 and calls this event "the day of the Lord". And then had to write a second letter to clear up the confusion on the timing in 2nd Thes and says that "day shall not happen until the son of perdition appears" I don't think he can make it any clearer. And this lines up with Jesus's teaching in Matthew 24. (where Jesus says he comes back immediately "after" the tribulation) So again, please provide me the very first verse in the new testament. Jesus comes at the last trump, the trump of God which is the seventh and anitchrist will be here at the sixth. There is not even one shred of evidence that supports Jesus coming back before the tribulation.

Events currently happing in our world are fufilling prophecy on a daily basis. Time is shorter than you may think.


This I do agree with.

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The Rapture is evident in thaking the scripture as a WHOLE not any specific passage or verse. Here is a list of verses backing up each event.


Rapture vs. Second Coming

The first line of each set refers to the Rapture - the second line references the Second Coming - two distinct events

Jesus coming FOR His Church. John 14:1-3, 1 Thess 4:14-17
Jesus coming WITH His Church Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14

Caught up with Him in the air 1 Thess 4:13-18
Jesus' feet touch the earth Zech 14:4, Rev:11-21

Christians taken first, unbelievers are left behind. 1 Thess 4:13-18
Wicked are taken first, the righteous (Tribulation saints) are left behind.Matt 13:28-30

Purpose: To present the Church to Himself and to the Father 2 Cor 11:2, Rev. 19:6-9
Purpose: To execute judgment on earth and set up His Kingdom Jude 14-15,Rev 19:11-21, Zech 14:3-4

MARRIAGE: Marriage of Lamb in heaven after the Rapture
WAR: Marriage is followed by war on earth at the 2nd coming

Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) 1 Cor 15:52
Slow coming, people will see Him come back.Zech 12:10 Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7

Only Christians will see Him 1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52
Every eye will see Him Rev. 1:7

Jesus descends with a shout(for resurrection) 1 Thess 4:16
No shout mentioned Rev. 19:11-21

A resurrection takes place 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-54
No resurrection mentioned Rev 1:7, 19:11-21, Zech 12:10, 14:4-5

Can happen at any time Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6
Occurs at end of 7 years of Tribulation Dan 9:24-27Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8

No angels are sent to gather (resurrected people don't need angels to help them)
Angels sent forth to gather people together for judgment Matt 13:39, 41, 49, 24:31, 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-10

Spirits of those dead in Christ return with Jesus to receive their their resurrected bodies 1 Thess 4:14-16
Christians return with Jesus in already resurrected bodies riding on white horses. Rev 19:11-21

Jesus does not return on a white horse
Jesus returns on a white horse Rev 19:11

For the Church only (those in Christ) 1 Thess 4:14-17
For redeemed Israel & Gentiles Rom 11:25-27, Matt 25:31-46

A message of hope and comfort 1 Thess 4:18, Titus 2:13, 1 John 3:3
A message of judgment Joel 3:12-16, Rev 19:11-21, Mal 4:5

Jesus is refering to the 2nd coming in the verses in Matthew in which you are referencing. I can give you some very good articles in which things are studied in detail that clearly supports a scriptural basis for Rapture.

The important thing is that we are saved by Christ's sacrifice, through faith and not works and the knowledge that Jesus takes care of his own.

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Jesus is refering to the 2nd coming in the verses in Matthew in which you are referencing
I'll rewrite this to say that this is the second coming, as in one. He only comes back one more time and that's exactly what he teaches here. So to insert there's a rapture here that takes place before the second coming would make it three comings. That doesn't make sense. Jesus even prayed that we wouldn't be taken out of the world, just that we would be kept from evil.

And what you're basically saying too is Jesus in this entire speech doesn't teach rapture. Don't you find that strange when this is the first time the disciples ask for signs of his "coming" (singular) and for signs to the end. And why wouldn't they just say signs of his comings? And Jesus goes on to say it will be as the days of Noah when the flood came and took them all away. This clearly describe being taken away first as the wicked. And then Noah and his family survived 5 months, note the 5 month period in Rev. It's the same.

Again by separating them into two events, you're are changing scripture and this is a very dangerous thing to do. All throughout the bible, this event is called the "Day of the Lord". The minor prophets taught of this day as do Paul, etc.

You are doing nothing but grabbing scriptures out to make an argument and omitting verses that come right before or after them. Why would anyone read this way??

For example, as I said, if one reads further after 1st Thes 4 into 5, yes, you must continue to read to not lose any context or the subject at hand. Paul describes this event as the "day of the Lord" and goes, yes even further because of confusion into 2nd Thes to say that day "shall not happen" until the son of perdition appears. We haven't left the subject. Why would there be warnings by both Paul and Jesus himself in Matthew 24? Because people would rather believe a lie (Ez 13 says God is "against" those people who would teach his people to fly away to save their souls. He's against it. And because people would rather believe the lie he will send them strong delustion (antichrist) because they would not accept the love of the truth. This is where the great falling away (translated apostasy) comes in. You also used this chapter to support a rapture (vs 4-6) but conveniently left out the most important part just 2 verses up, that this event is called "the day of the Lord or the Lord's Day) (he comes like a thief in the night to those not expecting him. And they won't be) And again, if you read further into 2nd Thes, Paul says very plainly this day (same day, just one) shall not happen until... This is why the entire Bible really needs to be read as a whole.

I can just as randomly pull out another one of your arguments and show you an error,
[Only Christians will see Him 1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52 [/quote]



Just move up one verse and it reads, Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall "All" be changed. All means all, where does it read that only Christians will see him?? It also says "at the last trump in 52, last trump is the 7th as explained in Rev. That's it. At that point, it's the first day of the Millineum and we are changed into our spiritual bodies. There's nothing here describing a rapture at all, just that we all must be changed at the last trump- (Antichrist will be here at the 6th) and we will be in a twinkling of an eye. Where does it say the church is raptured out of here? He says all are changed at the twinkling of an eye.
This is just one verse-one.

In Rev just as I said, John was taken to the Day of the Lord, (there's that day again) not beforehand. And then he's taught about what has happened, what will happen, et. You used Rev 19: 6-9 to prove rapture but yet again omitted the important verses above which state that the great whore of Babylon, etc had "already" been judged. The puts the marriage after the tribulation. To say otherwise is a huge contradiction to what the verses are saying.

I don't need to read any articles. For one, I've probably read them. I've been studying the end times prophecy for about 8 years. And besides, we are not to put our trust in man over the word of God. So I'm a scripture gal, if something can't be backed up in scripture, I can't and will not go there. I've already weighed both sides because like you I believed once in the rapture. I was taught at one time everything you just posted and I believed until I read it for myself and saw it just wasn't biblical.


But I will tell you I'm in my forties and I believed in the rapture my entire life until someone once told me to check it out for myself. So I decided for the first time (yes that's long time as a Christian not have not read the Bible) to read the bible, the entire thing, something alot of Christians today can't lay claim to. And it flows very well together, the old with the new. And I never saw anything when read through to support more than one coming. It's easy to pull out verses like you have done and I've already showed you just a couple that aren't right. Please rethink this because no matter what people say about it not mattering the timing does matter- or Paul and Christ wouldn't warn us about it.

It's easy to just write out an outline like you have and post a verse that you think supports it but those are your words in the outline, not the way it's laid out in the Bible.

If you do reply back, can you still provide me the very first verse that you think describes a rapture in the NT? And one more question. What do think the "Day of the Lord" is?

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Becca, why did you never respond to Julie's last response to you? I am just curious.

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Not even close. Seeing as the Left Behind movies are based in scripture written 2,000+ years ago, and also considering that LaHaye has been a prophecy scholar for decades, it's more like Stepehn King tried to depict a rapture scenario in a secular way. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Stephen King as an author, but if any one has been plagerized it was the Apostle John circa 90 AD give or take a few years!

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I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment that John of Patmos was plagiarized, since HIS source material was the Book of Daniel. Besides, John says nothing about airplanes and left-behind (no pun intended) watches and pacemakers. ;)

Anyhoo, what I was getting at was the similarities in the fictional accounts of authors King and LaHaye/Jennings.

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It's a rip-off of Stephen King, pure and simple. And made by people who are pure and simple.

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Nope.... King has taken a Biblical truth and slapped his own story together. He did the same thing with The Stand which contains elements of prophecy repackaged for a worldly audience. Whether he's conscious of this plagiarism or not isn't for me to say but some of his stories are not original.

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This arguement is dumb. Every piece of fiction comes from someone's mind. The topic of plagarism is not even about storytelling anymore, it's about legalities. Story comes from the mind, and storytellers use ideas already used buy others very often. Talking plagarization of the bible makes religion seem like a mere buisness. And if that's the case maybe the bible isn't so much about prophecy as it is about making profits.

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Why does being "biblical" make it truth? What a laughable phrase biblical truth actually is. That is like saying "Greek truth" and therefore expecting everyone to believe in Zeus because of it.

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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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Especially when you take into account that most stories in the Bible -- from the Ark through to most of the Jesus myth -- are plagiarized from earlier myths themselves.

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The rapture nonsense has been around since the 1800s, and I feel sure that Stephen King intentionally made the opening events of The Langoliers reflective of the rapture fantasy. I also feel that the authors of this Left Behind nonsense most likely took a page or two from The Langoliers in the way they set up their story in regards to their characters and such, only using names that sound like those of porn stars!

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Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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I read an interview with the writers of the Left Behind series. One of them claimed that he got the idea because he was working on a book about the rapture (I forget the name, but this one was more scholarly, and didn't have fictional characters) and he was on a plane. He saw the pilot and flight attendance exchange a kiss together, and thought to himself "What would happen if the rapture happened at this moment, how would they react, what would happen to the families on the plane, etc." So supposedly he thought of it himself from real life experiences. But personally, I love homages and when fictional work is taken from other work. It gives me goosebumps. There's pretty strong evidence that a lot of the bible was plagiarized from existing fictitious work, especially the Noah's Ark story.

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I think it's very possible that someone can come up with a similar idea and not have any purposeful connection. Either way, both films are awful.

When studying the art of story telling, they teach that all plots have been told to some degree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.html

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That would be Tim LaHaye, and the book would be Revelation Unveiled.

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I did wonder about that briefly.

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I have to admit that I had the same thought, and thought I was the only one! Just the aeroplane bit though. It's like The Langoliers I thought!

Cheers, John.

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